…after a look to HTC,
i noticed that controllers of HTC VIVE PRO are blue as the headset
So the last surprise from Pimax will be
VISION CONTROLLERS AT CES 2020
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Really, do yourself the favour and buy & download the Switzerland DLC - it will just make the experience so much greater !
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Innsbruck and New York are also great!
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Can you please confirm whether 8KX/8K+ has LESS SDE than O+ ?
I wonder what happens if Pimax just buys an Xtal and swaps lenses
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I suspect the reason the Xtal is so much bulkier (…or so I believe…?), is that the lenses are designed for lower magnification, and require larger screens farther away. If so, a straight lens swap would be right out. :7
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Imagine buying a 5000 Euro device just to use the lenses for a less than 2K USD device.
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Well a boy can dream
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Loosely related (lenses, low magnification, toying, and dreaming): For fun, I checked what I would have gotten, if I took two of the silly little experiment things I did (from another thread, a while back), with the lens out of a simple 60mm magnifying glass against a curved surface (for theoretical use with flexible OLED screens, that would then follow the field curvature of the lens left-to-right, giving pretty decent optical clarity on at least a single axis), and placed them next to one another, without doing anything else to them.
I assumed 15mm eye relief, and 58mm minimum IPD, and checked how much I needed to cant them, for the screens (large, due to the low magnification) to not clip into one another: 27 degrees - oof, but actually looks like that could work with my head shape… But, 27 degrees; How much stereo overlap would that leave? -Oof again; 56 degrees - talk about unacceptable! Although at least with that much canting, I would’ve got 164 degrees total FOV, at the widest point. 
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@SweViver
Martin - how does FS2 compare to Il2 Great Battles as far as detail and sim experience goes? Personally - I’m not much of a Commercial Flight Sim fan, I much prefer the appeal of warbirds and both Il2 and now DCS scratch that itch. Both provide good environments and things to do other than navigating and flying over scenery.
Il2 though is quite a pretty sim and their VR implementation is great. I only wish they could get their render engine to work stable with Foreated Rendering. It is not stable in that instance but when it works, you can really get good detail/frames performance.
DCS seems to be rock solid with Foreated Rendering from my testing. I am still learning the basics in that one and now can survive contacts with enemy AI aircraft without instantly turning into a ball of flames. LOL
ANyway - this is mainly what I was interested in the 8K-X for but now we have Half Life Alyx on the horizon. Hopefully Sword Controllers and Base Stations will be delivered in time for that one. Just so I can revisit nostalgia and see how Valve is pushing VR in the FPS space. NExt up, a VR reworking of System Shock 
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Interesting. To each, their own.
Personally, I really like the futuristic look of the 8K and its kin. It stands out (in a good way) from all the other VR headsets on the market. I think it’s quite stylish.
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Great! I hope to get an 8KX at some point, even though I’m not even a little bit bald and I am (unfortunately) “that old”. Luckily, years of sitting in front of a PC screen have left me near-sighted, so I can use my 8K w/o glasses, even though I normally wear glasses with progressive (multifocal) lenses.
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But that would limit the FoV to the index’s FoV. Also it wouldn’t be exactly trivial to modify the distortion algo. It might not be as easy as simply editing some values (like in the Vive mod). You might need to replace the whole distortion engine.
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Yep - have seen plenty of people expressing appreciation for the design. What can I say - I never claimed to be a fashion guru. 
Yep, yep. It would be the index’s FOV plus ten degrees total, for the increased canting, and minus ten degrees stereo overlap, but plus in return a degree or two in each of these, for the bits where the screen ends in the index, but the lenses have a little bit left to go (seen as black discs cutting into the view), which the larger screens of the 8k/5k would fill in… so just over 120° total - same as pimax in small mode, but with round outer edges (EDIT: …as opposed to filled up vertically). That would be 120° with almost edge-to-edge clarity, though. Then there is the matter of what lens-to-screen distance the two devices are tuned for… :7 (EDIT2: …for all I know, the index could use tiny screens, that are already about the same dot pitch as the 8kX, in which case there would be no increase in resolution - don’t believe so though…)
Editing the distortion was actually possibly easier at a point in the past, when the multiple (15, was it?) point spline that describes it was embedded, together with other model-specific data, as ASCII text in the piserver executable – today not so much; Open source is said to be coming, but I don’t have the skills to do anything with that anyway.
Just a reckless experiment, as I said, and nothing I can see myself actually doing, unless becoming extremely frustrated. :7
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Well you know that the index has what was it 110 fov wide or less?
It was theorized long ago & somewhat demonstrated that with the p4k lenses you could possibly have a very nice small fov picture. But then you loose the benefits of wide fov headset & extra screen is wasted.
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Well a friend of my brother just came over and brought my 5k+ . I told my brother I was going to sell it before Christmas but I didn’t think it would go so fast . So yeah not sure what I am going to buy now . I think the 8kx is at least a couple of months away . So I am seriously considering the 8k+ but do we even know when it ships .
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Not really. All we know is that the first units of the 8K+ will ship before the backers’ 8KXes will.
Alcohol might help with your VR withdrawal! 
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Yes I hadn’t listed it anywhere the only person who knew I was going to sell it was my brother . But I thought what the hell . The guy only wanted it if it could do 120 hz which it can .
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You might consider playing some non-VR games for a while. There are a number of good choices, many of which are on sale right now on Steam.
I’ve really been enjoying Quake 2 RTX. It looks great and it brings back fond memories. It’s also interesting to play an old-school game, without the complexities of a modern FPS shooter.
Then when you finally get your 8KX, you will be able to appreciate VR all over again.
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I just hope that 8KX does not turn out to be too hot compared to 8K+ (or 8K / 5K+).
Honestly, excessive heat for me can ruin everything, you know, when it’s stuffy inside the headset, it sometimes becomes unbearable, especially in more or less active games.
Therefore, I would very much like to know how high the temperature regime is at 8KX compared to 8K+. Perhaps @Pimel, @Mlkconcept noticed the difference?
And a separate question @SweViver: will the temperature of 8KX in the “8K+ mode” meet the temperature of 8K +?
And please take temperature measurements of both in the hottest places on housing.
(8K had an indicator of 42-43 degrees Celsius in the hottest spot at the exit of the cable).
If the temperature of 8KX is significantly hotter than 8K + (and even in “8K+ mode”), I may have to lower to 8K + just because of this. (It will be very difficult to stay in a hot headset for a long time)
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