Out of curiosity, where are the manufacturing plants located where the the Pimax units are made?
What are the odds of packages caring virus particles?
Very high. Send your 8KX to me and I’ll fully test it for you.
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Oh, Fo sho! will do it in expedite fashion!
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I’m sure there is absolutely no threat of catching any kind of virus via shipping. You’re watching too much Simpsons…
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Unless its in the air in the bubble wrap 
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Coronavirus can only survive 48hrs outside a host, so if the HMD was assembled by an infected worker the virus will be dead when it arrives.
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This, from the CDC website: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html
Q: Am I at risk for novel coronavirus from a package or products shipping from China?
There is still a lot that is unknown about the newly emerged 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and how it spreads. Two other coronaviruses have emerged previously to cause severe illness in people (MERS and SARS). 2019-nCoV is more genetically related to SARS than MERS, but both are betacoronaviruses with their origins in bats. While we don’t know for sure that this virus will behave the same way as SARS and MERS, we can use the information from both of these earlier coronaviruses to guide us. In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures. Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread most often by respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support transmission of 2019-nCoV associated with imported goods and there have not been any cases of 2019-nCoV in the United States associated with imported goods. Information will be provided on the 2019 Novel Coronavirus website as it becomes available.
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@jteller Keywords “very low risk of spread” (still a risk) “that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures.”
“spread most often by respiratory droplets.” - The reality is any virus can survive in any moist environment which contains water.
@Shazboticus Please don’t go spreading misinformation when you’re clearly uninformed. Whilst I appreciate the necessity to not panic in this situation, there definitely is a reason to have a concern here. But the issue can be entirely mitigated with due diligence.
As someone who has studied medicine at university, I feel like i’m in a position to make a comment on this.
Virus particles are considered neither “dead” nor “alive”, as they are parasitic and symbiotic in nature. they require a living cell to leech off of to replicate by using the cell to create additional virus particles.
Virus particles also travel in water and mucous. When humans exhale they moisturise the air which was breathed in with water and mucous. Therefore, the possibility of a virus travelling overseas in a parcel is wholly dependent on there being enough water content present in the interior of the package which would provide a virus with a medium which allows it to survive, and that water content being infected.
I agree with the assertion that norrnally, 48 hours is plenty of time for all moisture content to evaporate which would provide the virus with a medium to travel and survive; *however, if the facial foams which are being shipped happen to be used whilst the headsets are tested by infected workers, and those workers dampen the facial foam with infected sweat, that sweat could be sitting in a cool, dark environment where the water may not evaporate within 48 hours and provide the virus with a safe environment where it could survive for a much longer period.
The air you breathe out, the mucous particles you cough, the sweat you excrete can all carry virus loads. Virus cannot infect you unless it crosses your mucous membrane barrier, which can happen by rubbing your eyes, nose mouth with your hands after your hands pick up a viral load.
So as for airborne viruses being “dead” as soon as they leave the human body and touch human air, you can’t be sure about that.
There’s no reason to worry about the air being breathed out from infected people infecting products, but the sweat of an infected person could very well contain viral load which could survive shipping if Pimax does not ensure that all quality assurance testers have spent at least 14 days in quarantine to ensure they are not infected or spreading the disease whilst displaying no symptoms.
Further, Pimax should be testing ALL headsets with their own facial foams, and shipping customers unused facial foams straight from the production line. This should be done to ensure that there are no infected workers who are asymptomatic (showing no symptoms) who could infect the facial foams with infected sweat when testing the headsets before shipping. All it would take is for someone to touch an infected facial foam and then rub their nose or eyes, and all of a sudden you have a method for the virus to travel and infect people overseas. (this would be a news headline Pimax does not want, as much as people might say all publicity is good publicity)
Better be safe than sorry, and for that reason Pimax should take the above mentioned preventative measures of ensuring all workers in the quality assurance line have medical certificates and spent (14 days!) in quarantine before returning to work, and not shipping customers facial foams which were used in quality assurance testing.
The reason I suggest 14 days, is because the incubation period for the novel corona virus is anywhere from 2 days to 14 days. It depending on the strength of the individuals immune system and also whether they were infected by someone who had a small viral load (viral loads are lower in the body whilst an infected person is still asymptomatic - the concomitant effect of which is a longer incubation period),
If infected by someone who is already displaying symptoms, and who has a greater viral load. it results in a shorter incubation period for the virus and less time required for the newly infected person to display symptoms (2-3 days incubation period if infected by someone with a high viral load who has a lot of virus in their system before you start displaying symptoms, vs getting infected by someone who is asymptomatic and has very low levels of viral load in their system - it could take up to 14 days for the virus to replicate to the level where that person would start to see symptoms)
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yep, we’re both reading the same article and carefully interpreting the nuances of the meaning.
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Haha. It’s okay you’re allowed to have no common sense, you have a degree.
I would hope you have a bit more forethought and pragmatism when you discuss anything with a patient.
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Jack of all trades, huh? I thought You were a lawyer? 
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Let’s be real here, I did clearly state at the start of my post that this issue can be mitigated with due diligence. But to state there is no cause for concern at all is blatant misinformation. I was answering ops question as asked.
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You surely are a man of many faces.
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Maybe read your post in this context.
And go revise history and metatheory of science as well as critical analysis.
Hmmm…what country are you in? It takes on average 12 years in mine to become a non specialist doctor, absolute minimum of 9. Add several years for qualified specialist.
Can you even do a double degree with medicine? Here, you’re required to be at med school all day (not just bits and pieces like other degrees, classes are all day) and then you have to do your hospital hours in the evening, then study, then sleep.
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@TrevorVR Did i ever claim I was a doctor or that I finished studying medicine? I’ve got an undergraduate degree in laws but I’m still studying at uni.
It depends on the university but it is not adviseable, which is why I spent 4 years studying law first. Medicine takes 4-6 years depending on how many units you take at once. - If you include the additional years you spend training after studying it’s more like 12 years to get put on the role of registered psychiatrists.
What made you say that? I said “Let’s be real here” meaning “let’s stay on subject of the thread, - not my profession, and don’t strawman what I actually said.”
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No, I just said that you’re a man of many faces.
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Sounds rough. 8-10 Years of theoretical work (studying) to get to doing actual work is not for me, but I’m glad someone else likes it…! Seriously… 
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Because you interpreted “very low risk” as there is a significant risk which needs action (as much action as quarantining everyone with no suspicion of contracting the virus) instead of explaining to the audience that in science you could never state “no risk” and be correct, there is always a technical possibility of something we have never observed happening, happening in future. You cannot prove, you can only disprove.
The classic example is you can see as many white swans as you want and no others but you could never prove all swans are white, but as soon as you see your first black swan you can disprove all swans are white.
Current medical knowledge is the virus cannot communicate via parcels internationally. The very low risk does not infer a significant risk at all, just science speak of anything could happen even though it currently doesn’t.
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If anyone can handle delays it’s him
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This looked like an underhanded and surreptitious jab at me claiming to be a doctor when I never made such a claim.
I did not interpret it as “significant risk” I just acknowledged that there was an element of risk there. And that risk should be accounted for to ensure the safety of everyone…
I’m well aware of this. Conversely, this is also why in most scientific journal articles concerning negative health implications from taking a substance you’ll see it often asserted that there is no evidence directly linking any negative health issues with taking said substance, whilst not explicitly confirming that the substance is safe to use or that there are no negative health issues at all (as there could be some which were unassessed) Its basic modality you learn at the start of university.
That’s not the current medical knowledge. If you reread my post you would see that it is a possibility if the temperature conditions are right to retain moisture in the package.
Plus, we’re talking about facial foams with potentially infected sweat residue, not just any “packaging”. Any moist environment can carry a virus, full stop.
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