But you precisely say you got used to your TN color after using an IPS (which can have bad colors too if not well calibrated, although all IPS I have seen so far have had very decent default calibration), so you should get used to the 5K+ colors too.
As for the supposed 5K+ blockyness I’m sure it is overrated by people have both HMDs (and sometimes even the 8K and speaking about the 5K+ on guesswork or by repeating was they have read and that comfort them on their own 8K choice) who just prefer softness over sharpness so they describe the 5K+ as being blocky after comparison.
I personnaly expect to see some sort of blockyness (= visible pixels shape) at distance, as this is just to be expected from a sharp image (native panel res) that is still too lowres to meet human vision limits. But it will be far better than my rift, no doubt. And I’m prepared to accept that for enjoying a sharp overall image (that’s my personnal taste, I prefer sharp than soft).
True. It is far better than rift. And the extra FOV (especially vertical), too. I did not realize a big difference at far objects so far between my 5k+ and 8k (didin’t look for it specificly yet, to be honest). What i felt immediately is that the regular pixel grid of the 5k+ does eventually pull me out of the experience while the one of the 8k does not.
I just do not want to look for negative things that do probably annoy me once i see them (like the wobble of the 8k or the black dots of the 5k+, so far both i didn’t see but only compared them in a handful of games). So i keep on repeating to tell the issues i do see and realize without being guided by others to see the flaw.
So far overall less things can be or go wrong if you choose the 8k over the 5k+ and i would really like to know the details on the SID (scaler induced delay ) or cause in the 8k. Please someone measure the motion to photon delay or probably there is info in the specsheet of the 8k scaler chip? Could @PimaxVR jump in and provide some numbers???
As most of you know, this is a tough decision, unless you can see both headsets for yourself. Even then, there have been statements of regret on this forum.
I originally backed the 5K, but upgraded to a 8K in the last days of the Kickstarter. I remained firm in my decision, until the attendees at the Chicago meet-up uniformly said Elite Dangerous looked better on the 5K+. The thing is, I hate aliasing artifacts and the 5K+'s blocky pixels will just make it worse. I couldn’t get a good answer as to whether or not text in ED was readable and I would be unable to “lean close” to read the text, without a base station (which won’t be delivered for months). I felt forced to accept the 5K+ or I’d be stuck with an inferior headset.
I changed back when several 8K owners said text in ED was quite readable. I also ordered a v1 base station, so no matter what, the text should be readable. I’m not worried about the wobble, since I’ll mostly be playing seated games and probably won’t be moving my head quickly.
Ah, I see. It’s kind of like stutter. I’ll probably be able to adapt. I wear progressive multifocal glasses, which seriously warp what you see and have adapted quite well. I also plan to be playing ED and driving games, so I probably won’t be moving my head all that quickly.
Both of these headsets have drawbacks, which is why the decision as to which to get is so hard. Which of the issues: the gray-blacks, washed out colors, black dots, wobble, blocky pixels, stacked text, … will bother me most?
In the long run it won’t matter. In a few years, most of us will have upgraded our headsets.
Yup, instead of getting to hung up on a particular point, one just has to do their best to decide on the pros and cons until crunch time, bite the bullet and then - just enjoy the positives of your HMD, which are many, instead of focusing on the things you wish were better.
I don’t know everyone’s financial position, but if you’re an adult with an steady income, not to many dependants and it turns out you are a VR enthusiast - This will be only one of your many headsets, so enjoy the remarkable FOV and improved SDE, because before you know it you’ll be buying another HMD - this is my third, and I’m already looking out for the next one.
VR is pretty damn neat, in general, and if you’re very enthusiastic about it, it becomes harder to get as excited about non-VR games. As soon as a new space game comes out, or whatever your taste in games is, the first thing you ask is “Does it play in VR??”
The 8K is my first VR headset and it might also be my last.
I have vision issues and it’s getting harder and harder to see depth in real life, so I’m not sure VR will be worthwhile with only 1 good eye. (It’s possible surgery will help, but I’m going to delay that as long as I can.) The bummer is that my eye has gotten noticeably worse in the last year; I’m sure I would have enjoyed VR more, if Pimax had delivered when originally promised.
Look up on how to improve vision by training you eye muscles with daily exercises. There is quite a lot of knowledge spread in youtube videos. Sure also a lot of garbage. But my brother does this for month and has improved his sight considerably. Somehow it makes sense if you think about the many muscles operating the eye.
Sure any operation should be considered as last possibility because of the many things that can go wrong…
Thanks for the tip, but it won’t help. One of the eyedrops I need to use causes cataracts (cloudy corneas) as a common side-effect. The underlying problem is genetic. Luckily, I only use the drops as necessary (per eye), so my right eye is in much better shape.
That is a bummer brother but I can tell you that my vision when viewing in the distance of appprox 50 yards was deteriorating. So I bought glasses, Im 51, and I really didnt use the glasses, just lazy I guess, well this was about the time I started in VR, about 1-1/2 years ago. Well my eyesight is now back to 20/20. was it the VR?? LOL who knows…
I don’t wear glasses either, much of the time. With age, you lose the ability to vary your focal range. I’m a senior software engineer, so I spend most of my time sitting in front of a computer and that’s where my focal range has settled. I do have a big screen and I set the font scaling to 200% and the large text is legible, even if it isn’t crisp. (That’s the reason I don’t thing the slight blurring of the 8K will bother me too much.)
Genes are rendered active or inactive mostly because of environmental influence/behaviour. And most of our environment/behaviour these days is more or less poisonous…
Hope you can improve your sight with VR as stixvr did
Even if I lose my sight in that eye, I’d still be in a better place than I was 5 years ago. It’s an auto-immune issue, which causes my white blood cells to attack various body tissues (not just eyes - I actually have a relatively mild case, even though I was on fulltime disability from work for over 6 months). The damage is permanent, but that’s not the worst. The worst is the associated pain which is neurological and is not affected by typical pain killers. That’s now under control, so I can live a decent life.
The pain is not something that can be understood, unless you have been through something awful. I’m not exaggerating; this is how it was, at its worst: Have you ever gotten a squirt of lemon juice in your eye? Imagine someone pouring lemon juice in your eye, hour after hour, day after day. Imagine pain so bad that it interferes with speaking. Luckily, it’s only that bad when it flares up. (Typically for a few days to a few weeks.) Otherwise, it’s more like a migraine. This went on for several years, until I found a doctor who could help. I am so grateful I found him (and lucky too - he retired a few months after my first visit).
Maybe we should try to get back to the original topic…
@Hargert@mixedrealityTV Can you confirm whether this happens only on head rotation or also on head translation ?
If it’s only on head rotation, then it may be related to the internal gyroscope.
don’t agree on that,now your justifying things for your self. it’s not “supposed” at all. I tried both headsets the 5k+ IS blocky for me and others who have tried it, especially apparent in medium to far distance and I play mostly simulators, looking at the distance often in sims i don’t want to stare at blocks and sharp but also blocky edges, due to the pixel layout and pixeldensity 8k is capable of creating round edges witch the 5k never can, so that is a dealbreaker for the 5k for me and other people who are talking about it.
The 8k has good clarity also but everything is smoother and more natural.
Right. It’s really a matter of personal preference. Which of the headset issues will bother you most (or least)? Blurriness? SDE? Blocky pixels? Wobbling? Dull colors? etc.?
Yeah we know all the ups and downs of both headsets with all new user experiences by now. People have to decide and will defend there priority’s. I do it also not because of an ego thing but to let people know who couldn’t try the headsets and could have the same preferences as me and then buying the lesser one for them…
You don’t seem to understand the meaning of “supposed” in this sentence (or it’s my bad english ), it doesn’t mean this is a supposition, it’s an aknowledgement. I mean it is obvious you will see some blockyness given the resolution is not matching human vision limits.
Also “you” find it blocky (and some others, but certainly not everyone does).
Sure the 8K can round things (and soften it…) but it is useless for me as this doesn’t add usable information.
I play sims too and I don’t think the 8K would please me more than the 5K+ (based on informations collected from many feedbacks).
I don’t like softened images, I always desactivate games filters that softens things (FXAA for exemple). And I don’t want to waste GPU to improve the sharpness. I need this GPU to make the framerate match the panel refresh rate as best as possible.
Sharpness and framerate matching panel refresh are my 2 top priorities and I’m prepared to accept some blockyness for that.
) or cause in the 8k. Please someone measure the motion to photon delay or probably there is info in the specsheet of the 8k scaler chip? Could 
As most of you know, this is a tough decision, unless you can see both headsets for yourself. Even then, there have been statements of regret on this forum.
as stixvr did 
but to let people know who couldn’t try the headsets and could have the same preferences as me and then buying the lesser one for them…
), it doesn’t mean this is a supposition, it’s an aknowledgement. I mean it is obvious you will see some blockyness given the resolution is not matching human vision limits.