Hi everyone from London, UK, and I’m the last # 8K backer of the kickstarter campaign lol.
More seriously, I’m opening this topic because I’m maybe from the minority but I don’t and can’t afford to upgrade my computer or spend any more money to enjoy my wide FOV experience with Pimax.
initially, the headset was planned to work with 1070, and because I anticipated I bought this hardware
I felt bit weired to switch from the “8k with no SDE” promise for something else but it seem that my finacial situation force me to do this choice ( and I will get $100 back to spend on then wireless solution) .
However, because i can’t spend any more money, it seem that my I have to switch from the 8K to the 5k+ and confirmed by @VoodooDE
And a special Thanks to Sebastian @mixedrealityTV that have to deal with a lot of trolls that don’t understand that his commitment, time to the community and advice are for the good of all
Because your Youtube channel that I backed the project and because you I will switch to 5k+
I would ask @park & @yanfeng (1080). @SweViver has provided info from his 1070 laptop @pumcy also can give good opinion on how far you might be able to push titles as he was using a 1070.
Not sure of Park’s setup off hand. It will come down to which titles & compromises your willing to make in settings.
With the new Nvidia cards being out you might be able to grab a 2nd 1080 gtx for some performance gains on the pimax driver side(since most games themselves don’t have mgpu support).
I was able to run the p4k model at med steamvr test results with 2x7950 cf setup. A single card only crashed & would not run anything (360 videos/games etc).
@SweViver did say the performance of the 8k has improved narrowing the performance gap.
If your number is high you have time to wait & see what others report as the software improves & more folks can weigh in with their setups & experience. If your number is not high pimax has said you csn delay til next batch release.
The main problem is not enough gpu spread & some are pushing their preferences instead of just presenting the info & reccommendation. Letting folks decide.
If I had backed only 1 headset and had to choose now I would have went with the 5k+ as I haven’t found watching a lot of videos a grand thing in VR & don’t plan on upgrading from the 1080 ti. Based on the first series of reviews. No other reviewer is pressing folks to make the choice they have or should.
Just saying, you shouldn’t get upset at someone’s financial situation or go after them for it. There could be lots of details in the background of the situation, especially when a full year will have passed by the time most people get the results of their pledge.
And perfect example, I’m in the same boat. I am most likely switching to the 5K+ myself since I know I wont be able to upgrade my computer significantly. I have a 6800k, 16gb RAM, and a GTX 1080. I bought into Pimax because I’m a student in a field that is heavily influenced by VR, so I was willing to spend some money I had left aside from an inheritance on it. But I don’t have the extra funds to upgrade my PC, I’m a student in a program that prevents me from maintaining even a part time job during the year. I don’t want to sell my pledge because I want to use it for gamejams and in my senior projects, but I can’t warrant an 8k which will require me to spend a lot more money to bring it to the same level as the 5k+. Is it disappointing/frustrating? Definitely. Is it a “pathetic excuse”? I would say no, and I’d hope you’d agree.
All in all, this forum is incredibly toxic at times, but at least its mostly related to squabbling over tech or pimax’s communication skills. Let’s just try and keep it away from calling out people’s financial situations.
For those almost out of money for a 2080 TI which is therefore obscenely priced:
Find a popular online auction website and get a used GPU in the following order depending on your budget.
1080 TI.
1080.
Vega 64 or if cheap enough, Vega 64 LC.
Personally speaking, I’d only bother with a 1080 TI. Find a basic blower card for the cheapest possible price and avoid fancy 3 slot OC models which always cost a lot more.
My advice is hold off. You are last backer so you won’t have unit by Christmas. Also I think you should wait and see how things play out. Your 1080 may run fine for most games. If you insist on ti, to deals will surely come up around Christmas.
Cex will give you 240 sterling for your 1080. You may have some other stuff you can trade in. You may have to rely on your CPU’s integrated graphics for a week over holidays, but you could leverage it and any Xmas gift money .
Honest truth is even with a ti or a2080 ti you won’t be maxing out settings everywhere. There will always be compromise.
Of note pimax is working on 65 hz brainwarp. If it works before x mas you can keep money in pocket
@George your comment makes me feel sadder than angry, how human could be not sensitive and empathic for other financial situation. We are not all born with a gold spoon in our mouth.
Yes, I did the pledge last year when I worked in a nice position, but some “life accidents” happened to me during this year after and changed my life context.
For now I don’t have any extra pound to change my gtx1080 or something else, so my only option is the 5k+ unfortunately.
Is someone can give me the link of the performance difference between 5k+ and 8K for a “simple” gtx 1080 ?
Ps : Thanks @Nim@destraudo , @Navi_8K and @Heliosurge for your support and understanding of human conditions constraint with your tips
@elgeekphoenix Your account was made 1 day ago. To me it looked like you were here just to incite trouble. It now turns out the one stirring up some stuff is me. Sorry bout that. Please disregard earlier comments by me in this thread.
Just keep in mind appearanced are not always accurate many backers still haven’t created accounts here. Most likely due to the toxicity we often have here.
Anyway there is no point in rushing out to purchase new card until you’ve seen how what you want to play works with what you have to play on at a detail / ss level you can live with.
just because the name indicates a lower resolution does not mean its a downgrade, for some people it a improvement
through the lens screenshots indicate (when counting the subpixels) that its just more like a 4k-ish panel, not having full rgb so the resulting resolution is more like 3840x1080 and thats just x1.125 of 5k+, so there seem no big hidden potential or future proof in the 8k, its different in some points and that’s it
the 1080 is not so bad (i have a vive with a 1070), you might need to reduce some ingame settings here an there and you will be ok and maybe here an there you can try to improve by lowering the ss settings in steamvr, it will just be a little more optimising for the games you play most
there are some people believing the 90hz of the 5k+ and the 8k 80hz with higher ss default in pitools will level both, i don’t think so but that’s an argument going around too
most people see it just by numbers (5k+ = 5000 / 8k = 8000, 8000>5000) - forget about this, look at he lens shots and hear what the testers say, the 5k+ is no DOWNgrade, when is comes to the experience both are the same with slight differences depending on the preferences of the user
sweviver even made a 1070 special, you should look at this too
It was actually fine. Crossfire was active in settings. I yeild an average in steamvr yellow around 3.3 with odd spike to just green at 6.0. Single card or cf disabled red 1.
While games might not all support mgpu the headset & steamvr side seems to support it on it’s end.
i feel more like no one needs the 5k (without plus) for anything
what we need is a good photo of the 8k panel, that would settle things, the whole discussion is about the 8k’s “possible” potential, if 5k+ colors will be matched and if (hopefully) the black values could be improved then the 8k might be just a case for people that want a (slightly) better sde
imho all discussion about any possible improvements should have ended aftter the testers showed that even with pitool 2.0 and steamvr 300% (an absurd high ss rate) there was no gain and the 5k+ is still better, the 8k with in theory x 2.25 pixels should be much better then we see and the fact that there is even less detail left in comparison shows pretty good that it has less resolution and that paired with the odd diagonal pattern and the hor/ver working scaler results in lees details then a 5k+ display (nice try by the dev’s but its a fail)
Remember we theorized with some math thst difference between 5k+ & 8k is likely between 1.9 & 2.0 with the 2.25 being the original 5k. But if pixel count accurate on 8k looks to be around 1.69?
But yes a good pic I think with Purity of each of tge Rgb colors with a white screen to complete tge effect to compare each subpixel size & then a complete with all turned on.
I think for a proper compare as well a cube through lens (not zoomed) to show the sharpness of vertical horizontal & diagonal lines on both.
The truth I see because we also typically view text parallel to the horizon text will always yeild a better sharpness vs the diagonal where only X should be clearer on the 8k due to pixel stacking.
@RobCram started a good compare with reading the eyechart from the default fixed point but none of the testers wanted to play how far down can you read.
