Of course you can and I did so too indeed quite often. However honestly after trying the headsets, my own experience was almost always different than the reviewer. I bought some headsets because MRTV loved them and I pretty much didn’t like them (He raved about the pimax 5k, StarVR and Vive Pro 2 for example, I didn’t like those too much myself). A review really only says so much. The Spanish reviewers (who got demolished on these forums btw for their criticism on the 5k and 8k headsets) didn’t like the Varjo too much neither. I thought their review was very thorough. Yet the big majority of people who bought the Aero are not using anything else anymore. So was it a good review? I do think so. However it certainly was not good if you took it as an advice (since it doesnt line up with the user experience)
Just saying, reviews only have very limited value when it comes to VR headsets it seems.
It was because of that review,but more so the hardware measurments that i did not like for my preference i need decent fov,and ive read enough of user experience on discord i think ive read every opinion there,most of the buyers are simmers specially msfs players wich i agree being able to see very far into the distance and sharp in that game while also not having to deal with culling pimax bs is the most important thing and there isnt a better hmd at the moment,but i rarely play that,it aint worth double the price of an 8kx and still have significant downgrades in other areas,i dont even need to try it to know its not for me,if it had like 115 degree fov(was decent on the vp2)as i tought initially,normal overlap,normal vertical fov of 95+ also at least the damn local dimming enabled absolutely completely justifiable,but how it is rn it aint for me,and the delivery time is off putting anyway.
Keep in mind atm @Djonko really is wowed about specific pros of the Varjo. Once he finally receives Xtal 8k v3 his preference may change even though Xtals are often heavy.
Yes if fov is one of the most important factors for you, then it’s indeed easy and you should stick with a Pimax. Or if you’re crazy like some of us here, get an XTAL
while that fov is amazing what am i the air force lol,i aint paying 10k just to play alyx again,i will wait for the 12k qled and whatever releases that is reasonable.
just curious i remember there was older version idk much about xtal,how did the previous version fared against the much lower priced 8kx,i remember the specs being similar.
edit:nvm ive read on this forum about it,this is aero thread.
Not really sure as it target market is not consumer. It would likely compare better to Varjo enterprise. Vrgineers have had something like 5 or 6 headsets marketted. Starting with RoboVR & RoboVR2, then there Steam Compatible Xtal line of 5k & 8k models.
Just for the record, @knob2001 has recorded a new geometry for Varjo Aero implemented in the latest firmware, which improved the horizontal range. I put the updated data into HMDGDB (Varjo Aero (90Hz) | HMD Geometry Database).
Hehe I was just thinking, I’ve actually seen all aspects of that holy grail already:
StarVR FoV, Varjo image fidelity and comfort (with @Davobkk’s strap of course), index geometric stability and refresh rates with HTC Vive Pro 1 colors and contrast. If some day we can have all that in one headset, then I don’t need to look no further It’s at least 3 years away though for the simple fact that we’d need a 5090 to drive it. And big steps would need to be made in the optic research department. But one can always dream …
that 3 degree actually might make all the difference tbh just one question,what is the reason of the overlap being soo small,the lenses seem nice,when i had my vive pro 2 with the thick foam i could see where the view becomes flat i only fixed it with a 6mm foam,can that be improved on the aero?like if i use a 6mm foam to get maybe at 80?or that is pretty much hardware maximum?.
I am just a messenger :). I do not own Varjo Aero and I cannot comment on its design. Though I am not sure to which 3° you refer to. Just to recap. The original geometry was:
that compares not too bad with a quest 2 (pimax blows it away ofc)
Oculus Quest 2
104.00°
98.00°
113.46°
90.00°
I just knew the Aero had a bigger horizontal / diagonal fov from my own opinions of wearing each headset. the quest 2 fov is round and the aero fov is more rectangular, like a motorbike helmet.
Have you tried any of the Luke Ross mods? I just tried RDR2 on an XR3 and getting 25% less performance at the same settings as quest 2 and G2. Just not sure if there’s something I missed performance wise or if there’s a bug in the openxr implementation that’s causing the performance hit.
That is very interesting. Previously I had asked the question as to whether it was false advertising for Varjo to claim 115 degree FOV when even the reported geometry wasn’t anywhere near that. This update suggests that it really does (at least close) physically have that FOV, but the wider edges of it were being blacked out.
I would guess that this was because they had such a bad distortion problem. They may have blacked out the farther edges of the display to avoid heavier distortion there. But now that they’ve improved the distortion issue, they can open up more of its FOV.
So does that mean they’re showing the full FOV that the device is capable of now? Or is there still more that could be opened up by future updates?
Though I also note the vertical FOV didn’t increase much.
Would be useful to see reviewers that reported measured FOV before do it again with the firmware update.
Was it reported horizontally or diagonally? This could be just about right even for the original firmware. On the other hand there are quite a few examples where advertised FOV has nothing common with the reported FOV .
I believe @knob2001 did the measurement with his tool and confirmed the new values are also visible to the user.
I haven’t ran any tests yet with the new firmware, I did try it though and the FoV still feels small. After the distortion algo upgrades, to me the distortion now feels on par with Pimax. But the FoV clearly is Varjo’s weak point. If I could change one thing it would be bigger FoV for sure. But oh well, it is what it is, the perfect headset still doesn’t exist and for me the Varjo currently is the best I’ve tried. But I can totally understand that if FoV is of utmost importance to somebody, that they’d prefer to skip the Varjo.
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Ask Pimax about that