Pimax 8KX wireless this year? Excited! [Next year according to Kevin]

Snippet interview with Chief Operating Officer Kevin Henderson:

Good to know. Regarding the wireless module, the Oculus Quest is really popular, it’s selling extremely well, and one of the reasons is that it’s completely wireless. Can you talk about the wireless module that’s coming for Pimax headsets?

When you look at our resolution, which is 4K native per eye with the 8KX, the data transfer rate requirement is real high. That definitely complicates the ability to go wireless. However, we do have a solution for it, there is a solution out there with sufficient bandwidth that we’ve been experimenting with for a while. And at first, we were telling people that we thought that 8KX would not be able to have full resolution across wireless, but I think we will, and it will also handle all of our Pimax headsets.

Do you expect minimal latency?

It is minimal latency. I can’t get into the details of the solution directly, but I’ll just tell you the bandwidth on it is very high. And it’s actually high enough to encompass greater than 4K per eye, so the solution is actually very low latency. I think people will be satisfied with it. The key is to manufacture enough of them where the price becomes reasonable.

Can you disclose the manufacturer or is that still under wraps for now?

I think the supplier or pipeline of that is fully protected. I can just tell you, it’s something that we’ve been working on for a while. We did switch out some of the parts to encompass the bandwidth of the 8KX. But it makes the solution much, much more enduring and in fact, this solution will work on future headsets as well, so it would be the same solution for years to come.

Do you have an idea if it will be available this year?

I would think it would be available this year. But the problem with it is, again, to manufacture enough of them. We have to have a plan for the actual manufacturing where it’s a sufficient volume to hit the price targets that we have. I think we have a good plan to achieve that, working with our partners. Between our newest headsets and the existing ones, there’s a pretty good population of Pimax headsets out there. Anyone that already has a headset can pick up this module, so I do think we have sufficient volume to hit our price target, we’ve run the numbers on that and I think it’s gonna be reasonable.

Is there a possibility to get a higher than 75 Hz refresh rate for the Pimax 8KX in native mode, or is that too much to expect?

No, I wouldn’t say it’s too much to look for, I would just say to look at our history on the refresh rates. With the 5K+, we were originally showing it at 80 Hz. And then it was 85. And then finally, when we released it, it was 90. And then today, you can drive a 5K+ at 120 or even 140 Hz. We have the 5K+ Super, which is 180.

We’ve come a long way with increasing those refresh rates. People even on our very oldest headsets can now do 110 hertz for free. So we’re always experimenting with that. And it’s something that we are interested in adding back if it’s possible. If we do achieve that, we’ll send it out as a firmware update.

And by the way, you should know that if you put the 8KX into scaled mode, you automatically get up to 90 hertz anyway and it’s still 4K per eye, just scaled, so the SDE (screen door effect) is still small. If you’re playing something like VR table tennis where it’s very fast, or anything like an action game or Beat Saber and you want to have a high refresh rate, just launch the headset in the scaled mode, bump it up to 90 Hz, you can do that right now. And of course, as we move along we hope to improve that, just like we have with our previous headsets.

19 Likes

while that would be exciting, I can almost garuntee you it wont be this year

13 Likes

Interviews tend to exaggerate timelines. I don’t think wireless will be ready for a while when Pimax still has to complete the production first.

10 Likes

Yeah as above, given every other statement and timeline by pimax, its impossible to get excited about anything until its actually in stock and shipping.

9 Likes

That would be less of a problem than getting all excited and then having to wait forever until it’s actually in stock and shipping. I’m all excited.

The way I read answers like is is: never say no. Just say you could see it happen. It won’t happen, but saying you could see it happen isn’t technically lying so there it is.
Most likely this will take another full year

7 Likes

I’m just glad I didn’t opt out of stretch goale so I have my wireless coupons intact. For whenever this might come out.

Though by then all headaets likely will be wireless. :smirk:

5 Likes

Just keep in mind though. If checkout all his interviews and key statements on things happening there is a pattern.

7 Likes

I think it’s great that they’re working on wireless. My concern is that it’ll take so long to release from Pimax that competitors such as Valve will surely have high res wireless options available. While I’m super excited to get my 8KX, if in the next year a competitor releases a high res headset with wireless, I’ll likely be selling it.

2 Likes

I hope we will not have to sell our 8KX. I would prefer a wireless module fitting on actual HMD’s or at least on (X)MAS… :crossed_fingers:

Did we ever get confirmation that the $100 downgrade credit will still stack with the wireless coupon? (As previously promised?)

My biggest concern with wireless is that I often use the headset for 10+ hours at a time, doing desk work or flight sim. What’s the point?

This would be most useful to me if I can seamlessly transition to/from a wired setup without things like un/pairing.

But hey, don’t mind me. Everyone else is more interested in wireless than I am. :wink:

7 Likes

Simmers and other Desk jockies. Wireless not really a big importance. But good if you like Roomscale and if has a good dual battery could work well.

5 Likes

Dont Think that will work for wirless when it is a other comapny that make it, but you did get a wireless coupons as a backer for 100usd.

1 Like

Didn’t he tell us we would get our lighthouses last year?

Also, found this:

https://community.openmr.ai/t/summary-of-mrtv-live-special-with-kevin-pimaxusa-some-great-info-for-people-who-havent-watched/15910

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad!

2 Likes

You mean that part “Kevin thinks in 2nd half of 2019 the wireless module should be polished enough to sell.” ?

6 Likes

Yes, that’s the sad bit I meant. I’ve now ‘signed’ away all my stretch goals because I find it frankly pathetic they couldn’t make a head strap the same as the Vive deluxe version that came out over 2 1/2 years ago or the fans or prescription lens holder or even send out some bits of foam - how hard is that! Non of those is reliant on lenses or software or screen technology. I’ve only just got the 2 codes for the pieces of software.

As I’ve said before, this is now seriously becoming a case of Stockholm syndrome! The best thing everyone can do is just walk away, stop commenting on the forum and deprive them the oxygen of giving us hope.

I really hope they couple the transmitting module with a dedicated encoder so that the computer won’t be bogged down with compressing/encoding the signal. The HTC Vive Wireless Module relied on the computer to compress the signal for their transmisison, and as a result some CPU’s (AMD Zen+) became incompatible with their wireless module. It will increase the price a bit, but it will be worth it for customer satisfaction.

1 Like

I believe though that was related to using an Intel wireless chip though wasn’t it?

1 Like

If memory serves, it was because they were doing encoding on the CPU and the AMD CPU’s single thread performance wasn’t good enough.

1 Like