I'm going to pronounce DCS 'Dead in a year'

Love blowing things up in DCS, have pre-ordered FS2020, but still see myself using DCS as it scratches a totally different itch.

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Exactly, this sums it up

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@mirage335
A hand tracking demo for DCS with the Pimax tracking module would be highly appreciated if you have access to the hardware!

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Thanks, that setup looks incredible!

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Ohh, the new Syria Map looks really nice in VR. :grin:
Performance are a little bit lower then in the other maps (-10-20%) , but it’s ok for me. with 45-65 FPS.

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I’m a bit late to the party but have to agree apples and oranges…maybe more apples and suspension bridges. Anyone comparing MSFS to DCS hasn’t played DCS…not properly anyway.
The reason the user base of DCS isn’t as high as other games is it takes literally hundreds of hours studying aircraft manuals, learning incredibly complex systems, memorising copious amounts of data and refining your skills of flying whilst constantly working these incredibly complex systems whilst people are trying to kill you. And if you’re in a fighter jet this is all happening sooooo fast.
I love flying small civilian aircraft over picturesque scenery and even just flying a 737 from one airport to the next in X-plane and will love that in MSFS too I reckon. I can do it drunk and lazy, even enjoy a coffee whilst I fly.
It isn’t comparable in the slightest to DCS. Apples and suspension bridges.
In DCS I need my mind on the ball and a spare pair of undies. And as Mirage says, a good ‘dungeon master’ to set up amazing battles and missions.

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I will add a coconut to the apples and oranges comparison: can’t wait for Star Wars Squadrons…:wink:
I guess everything that raises the quality in flying in VR will be very welcome. In this case the SW license could have even a greater impact for VR as the more complex flight sims that are great, but very hard to setup regarding the controls and so on.

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Maybe DCS would be dead if its AI would be as good as the one that demolished a top shot US air force pilot in a DARPA competition 3 days ago. The guy almost didn’t even get a shot in in 5 guns only dogfights, but he got better in the last matches.

AlphaDogfight Trials Final Event - YouTube

Dunno exactly what headset he’s using, looks like a HP Reverb to me, I am certain he would have shot the bastard out of the sky with a Pimax 8K-X :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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Actually, that video is rather impressive. The human pilot does seem to benefit from the ‘training’, but the AI does a rather amazing job. I wonder how much processing power went into that.

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I found it odd that the pilot flew the same circle again and again in the last match, but that’s just an average Joe’s opinion.

Unfortunately I haven’t done any digging into how much processing went into creating or running the fighter AI, but if it is in any way comparable to the StarCraft AI:
AlphaStar

Training: 44 days on 16 Cloud TPU V3s in parallel with 420 teraflops each, which was estimated to cost $3,244,032 for a google customer.

Running: average PC and fits on a pen drive?(author’s opinion?)

sources:
Thought you were good at StarCraft? DeepMind's AI bot proves better than 99.8% of fleshy humans • The Register
What DeepMind’s AlphaStar beating StarCraft players means for AI research | by Richard Nagyfi | Towards Data Science

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In the last match, the human pilot seemed to be deliberately delaying the outcome, by flying a higher speed/diameter circle to maintain distance from the adversary, knowing the advantage had already been lost from the opening, and the commentator seemed to recognize this. In all the previous matches, it was pretty obvious the human pilot had already lost from the very first turn or merge.

That kind of match makes great target practice, or a way to test the very finest differences in skill between players in tournaments. Even a very good human player might lose simply from not starting with a bit of warm up practice.

As for StarCraft, that is a lot of training time, but I actually meant to ask how much processing power was used in real-time while beating the human. Looks like that has not been answered.

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Nice analysis.

Feel free to file a FOIA request :rofl:

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Nice find !
I found a comparison of cheeper devices !

Honeycomb … mhm

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