HTC ultra HD vr for 2018

Two 5.5inch UHD Oled panels with increased FOV (and price) would be another story :wink:

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3840x2160 is still almost twice the pixels of 2880x1600, although you’re of course right about IPD adjustment. But the problem is of course that there are no panels higher than 4k resolution. Right now there’s not even OLED at 4k, Samsung might be the first to have them ready for mass production. Higher resolution than 4k per panel probably is at least 2 years away.

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I’d buy it for sure:)

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@Sjef “3840x2160 is still almost twice the pixels of 2880x1600”

Even so my point is that high end users wants increased FOV and resolution: so at that resolution and on the market speculatively by the end of next year this headset would not be a leader for long. Who would invest another time in this kind of device? I paid 1500$ CAN for my Vive less than one year ago.

Dual 4K ( with scaling if necessary) , 150FOV +, eyes tracking for FOV rendering and wireless option is what I seek for next time for that amount of money :wink:

Oh sorry! :smile: I’ve already paid for that 2 weeks ago

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Hehe of course mate, I want them to make the best headset possible too. Yet the possibilities aren’t that much actually, panel makers aren’t moving on that quickly unfortunately. That’s probably why Facebook has been taking about 2019 for their next gen and HTC hadn’t said much at all. So if they bring out a 4k headset in 2018 that would come as a pleasant surprise. They make good hardware and software while Pimax is not so reliable here. If the Pimax 8k is any good, then of course who cares about this HTC product. But I’m still far from sure that Pimax will deliver the great headset everybody is hoping for. It’s pimax, so I would really not be surprised if they mess up a crucial part like the IPD adjustment for example, rendering the headset essentially worthless for people with high IPD. And then, this Vive headset would be very welcome :slight_smile:

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But the difference between the current Vive resolution and 4k resolution is HUGE. 4k resolution basically means the ends of SDE, while the Vive is a failed product, in my opinion, due to the high SDE. Of course I agree that more FoV is very needed too, but a 4k Vive version would at least be something I’d consider to buy, while the current Vive has never been a headset I’d buy because of the SDE.

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BTW, if they do not use upscaling, then 3,840 by 2,160 is slightly more pixels than what Pimax uses for input.
If you combine that with lower FOV ( say 150° for example ) it would probably be a noticeable improvement in clarity over Pimax 8k.

8kX would still win ofcourse

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I understand what your saying, but let me put in another perspective my comment, in one year from now my pledge for the Pimax 8K would have been done more reluctantly than this year. If HTC had announced this for march 2018 with new controllers I would probably pass on the pimax 8K kickstarter

Anyway like someone said in this thread this is pure speculation just for the fun of it :wink:

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It sounds like pure speculation with the info given. It will have a 5" oled?? Of corse it wont have one fixed panel

It’s more likely just gossip from the HTC reps who know the resoulution is shit

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Or htc’s next phone. Lol

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I think you’re right, I don’t think HTC would go for 1 5" panel.

It would restrict the fov too much.

Dual 3.5inch 90hz 2Kx2.2K panel would probable be more on the spot for a guess:

(has already mentioned by Heliosurge earlier on this thread for a new pimax 4K)

By the way what is the size of the CLPL’s on the pimax 8K? I don’t remember seen it anywhere…

If you took the panels in the 8k right now and used them with 120 degrees of FOV, they would provide the same level of quality if not higher than these Samsung panels. I can still see the SDE in that Samsung image, but just barely, and you really have to look for it. If it was in motion, I doubt anyone could see the SDE.

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I would bet the plan HTC is most likely to go for is a headset much like the current one, but instead of two 1080x1200 screens, we get two 2160x2400 screens, at the exact same FOV. That would allow for maximum backwards compatibility, with minimum redesign and testing costs, since the aspect ratio would be the same as the current device. Sure, it wouldn’t be 4k, but they call the current panels 1080p too and those are quite a bit lower resolution than 1920x1080. And in my opinion, a headset like that would have a great purpose: replacement desktop. While creating a higher FOV is great for immersion and gaming, having a really high dpi on what pixels are shown is best for day-to-day productivity. If I could get a screen that sharp with a good virtual keyboard matching my real one, with good virtual hands, I could actually do my work inside of VR, and that would be amazing.

If you watch the HD Projector market (Home cinema versions) then you can see where micro display tech is moving. It is down to the panel makers in the end. 4K micro oled panels are expensive but coming down in price constantly as demand increases. You can get near 4K using pixel shift which is a stop gap too but not sure that can apply to VR.

Anyway, I expect a Vive v2 to have the following:

2 x 4K OLED
The yet unreleased knuckle controllers.
Deluxe audio head strap with improved acoustics.
Lighthouse version 2.0.
1 x vive tracker for our own enjoyment (attach to anything).

^ That is a currently feasible expectation.

What I would love is all the above but with:

  • Built in eye tracking
  • Increased PPI (e.g. retina) with Foveated support at the driver level
  • Built in hand/finger tracking
  • Video Passthrough option for AR
  • Wireless (expect foveated only)
  • Foot, hip, spine and wrist micro trackers

the more 4k players in the future the better, then we can go to 8k screens and get closer to 16k for the good good stuff maybe within 8 years. But if no competition it might take 16 years. Thanks for pimax for pushing ‘4k’ , next step is 8k real resolution within 3-4 years

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I think you’ll be happy with 4k native per eye. That will be a massive improvement over current gen and its happening in just 6 months!!

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Im forever grateful for htcc’s v1 offering, dont get me wrong. But I think theres no way they will meet or exceed the pimax headset.

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Honestly, it’s not even their focus point. They (as well as Oculus) are focused on the best spec HMD that will run on the majority of users systems. Pimax is pushing the envelope with the hardware as well as the requirements. This is something that the big players seem to currently be unwilling to do. Lucky for Pimax because they would not be able to compete as hardily if those big players were in the same league.