Have you noticed thay both the Grinch and Nvidia are green? 
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Can this idiot be banned?
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Flag him.
Off topic at best.
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He has been suspended and we are discussing this issue.
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Also, it can be nvidia drivers problem.
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i accidentally had msi afterburner with riva tuner opened,and i pretty much been able to replicate this described issue exactly as you guys says,luckily it goes away when i turned it off,there is definetly something wrong.
I just experienced the latency issue much more strongly than I have before. It was quite bad and disorienting, and I suspect that this is what posters who have talked about as an apparently worse version of the problem have been experiencing.
I had a number of applications open at the time. In particular I’m suspicious of the VRChat Creator Companion application that I was running for the first time. I closed everything in rapid fire fashion and the latency went back to “normal” in the SteamVR void (which is to say that it still experiences some abnormal latency, but only in that void, not when running a real game).
In hindsight, I should have applied remedies more methodically to try to isolate the cause. But I was a little too concerned with making it go away at the time.
The upshot of this is that it could be another data point in terms of how to at least not have the latency so badly. It seemed to have been affected by other applications which were running which I would not have expected to have any such effect.
I suspect that we’re not all actually experiencing the same problem. I think there may actually be multiple problems that were brought up by the nVidia driver changes for the 40 series. All of them increase latency cumulatively, but they have different causes and remedies.
I think this may be why we’ve had such conflicting reports and why it’s been hard to nail down symptoms and workarounds. Some people don’t experience it at all. Some have experienced latency, but then uninstalling MSI Afterburner completely fixed it. But for others, that didn’t fix it. Etc etc. In some cases remedies at least reduced the latency (suggesting that one of the problems was, in fact, fixed. But at least one more problem remains in effect). In other cases, remedies didn’t improve it at all (suggesting the fix is for a problem that particular PC wasn’t having even though it fixed latency for other PCs).
Just a thought. Not sure if it’s meaningful versus just waiting for updated drivers that fix the latency issues completely.
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I finally got my hands on a 4090 - Asus TUF OC, and I think I have the same issue.
Fast head movements result in very minor view mismatches- Just enough that you have to try hard to say exactly what it is, but the motion sickness is there for sure even though I’m doing nothing else than staring a menu screen in plain SteamVR with black background.
And to think I just built a full PC for this setup… sigh.
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Yes that sounds like the latency issue. Even if it isn’t obvious, your brain will subconsciously spot it and give you motion sickness.
Still no fix or update from Pimax or Nvidia.
Sounds more like the issue I’m having, no latency, just everything jumping about slightly when I move my head fast.
I think this has already been mentioned, but for those having the issue with the display in the HMD jumping around when you move your head, definitely try disabling and/or uninstalling your monitoring software and/or overclocking software. In my case I’ve found that disabling FPS VR resolves this particular issue. It’s too bad as that makes it very hard to tweak things and FPS VR has so many useful features. Sure hope this eventually gets fixed somewhere along the line as it a tremendously valuable tool.
Yeah it has been explored. It took Nvidia awhile to acknowledge this issue. The question for those whom gpu monitoring software is not fixing the issue by disabling. Is when a proper fix will be released?
Well - when I look into the official release notes of the latest driver 528.02 from yesterday, I cannot really think the issue is acknowledged:
It’s not that you’re not right and that NVidia didn’t acknowledge the issue internally somehow somewhere somewhen - but it’s somewhat symptomatical how “niche” VR still is - and perhaps even a bit more again than two or three years ago… => Not even a single line about this issue, although it is known, widespread and acknowledged.
In this point totally in contrast to AMD which really already mentioned their VR issue in the release notes mid December.
Has anyone already tried the new 528.02 with the 4080/4090? Is the issue gone perhaps… on the q.t. …?
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Well from what I recall a couple of the users in this topic have had Nvidia support acknowledged it.
Amd is more often more open on issues and things in general.
Nvidia release notes as you said with VR still being niche. Nvidia likely didn’t list it as there are not many truly hi res vr hmds out there. As lower res hmds don’t seem to be affected.
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Nope new driver made no change. Simply not enough people using vp2/8kx which seem to be the only headsets pushing resolutions high enough to cause issues.
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I am using a 8kx with an RTX3080 right now and am considering upgrading to a RTX4090 to get more out of the headset. I’ve read several things regarding these lag issues right now and what I’ve noticed is:
- The issue is related to ALL type of VR headsets when using a RTX4090
- I have read it has something to do with a ’ render pipeline’ being changed by NVIDIA since the 3000 series and therefore could be fixed with newer drivers.
- I have read the Aero suffered from this issue with the 4090 as well, but Varjo managed to fix the issue with a new release of Varjo base: Varjo Base, release version 3.7.2 → back in November 2022 already: November 8, 2022 This release includes improvements and bug fixes to existing features. Fixed an issue that caused image stuttering when using NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 graphics card.
- The above gives me the idea, this issue could be fixed with an upgrade of the Pimax Tool as well, despite the current NVIDIA drivers?
- Some people say the issues are solved if they do not use MSI afterburner or similar monitoring tools. Some however say the swear they have never installed any of these tools and even tried clean installs of the machine and are still having the same issue, which they did not see when they had a 3000 card installed.
So what is the truth?
- Should this be fixed by Pimax in a new release of Pitool (I mean, if Varjo can fix it, why can’t Pimax?)
- Should this be fixed by Nvidia (apparantly they are not in a hurry to do so)
- Are there any people who have a 4090 and 8kx that are NOT experiencing these issues currently, or are the issue neglectable and some people just are less sensitive to the issue at hand?
More importantly:
4. Should I buy a 4090 for 2200 Euros and will it improve my experience positively, drastically, compared to sticking with my 3080? Or will I and up majorly dissapointed (not to mention broke of course…).
The 4000 series have been out for a bit now, so I would expect any child diseases to have been solved by NVIDIA, the VR Vendors and the Game developers, but apparantly they are not, as of yet? The fact that Varjo did manage to fix the issue apparantly, gives me hope, but I hear nothing from Pimax on when they will solve this issue, nor from Nvidia. Mostly I just see comments that people should not use Afterburner and all issues will magically dissapear. If the latter is the case, why is not everyone confirming this?
Can some elaborate on this whole case? Much appreciated!
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The problem with the Varjo was different. There was massiv stutters all the time.
For the Pimax, there can be with or without lags. It has probably has something to do with the rest of the hardware.
Everything works fine for me, even with Afterburner and other tool, but i use a repeater in the line.
Without repeater i had in simple situations 2-3 Lags (menue etc.), in normal gaming nothing.
I think this affects everyone, but as you mentioned, some people are less sensitve and won’t notice it once Afterburner etc is uninstalled. Secondly those people saying it is ok may be simmers for the most part (wild guess ?). In sims you would notice it even less than in room scale action games as you are barely moving at all. This combined might turn into “I don’t have this issue”. Simmers also tends to be the ones with the most high end VR stuff as well, leaving us room scale folks a minority within the niche.
I don’t have much faith in nvidia putting much effort into this, we are just too few. I really hope Pimax can solve this in their FW or else I’m afraid nothing happens.
Any updates, @PimaxQuorra ? And can you verify if this issue only applies to older gen 8KX ?
Thanks a lot for explaining Varjo was a different issue. What do you mean by a ’ repeater’ exactly?
I am a simmer mostly (racing sims), so although I look around me constantly I do not make a lot of fast head movements normaly, so I might notice less than, I hope. I think it is a big gamble, but I really want to be able to get more out of my headset and either stick with RTX 3080 and change my 8kx for a Varjo Aero (hoping to get better image quality and software support), or stick with 8KX and get RT 4090, get more out of the 8kx that way and be better prepared for a future HMD upgrade, if I manage to get the money. I am thinking the latter will be the better choise, but reading about the issues and (apparantly) they are not being worked on by either NVIDIA or Pimax to be solved, I am thinking I am taking a very big risk throwing away my money…
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