Just changed my mind because of this picture
While some people where comparing picture clarity, i’ve notice color distortion, where white lines are not clearly white but mixed with red/yellow/green. I’ve experienced something like this before with pimax 4k and if remember right this was caused by supersampling and annoyed me a lot in project cars. Deal breaker for me 
Right now I am still leaning to the 8K. I have to upgrade my GPU with either HMD. I thank all of the reviewers for their time and effort to do the reviews which I watched and read. SweViver regarded the 8K better for simulators which is what I do. He also stated that most simmers at the backer meetup did too. He also explained in a post how pictures are different from what you see in the headset, so although I give them some weight, I would not judge only by them.
Some of the reasons I like the 8K vs the 5K+:
Better object spotting and ID at distance
Less SDE
Somewhat darker black which may account for the better color saturation and better contrast
Less color banding
80Hz vs 90Hz refresh rate does not effect playability and can give better smoothness
To achieve 5K+ clarity on the 8K will of course take a higher resolution which means my final decision will rely on 20 Series performance and further reviewers’ testing with these cards.
@SweViver
In your review at 2:15:20 regarding IL-2 you mention how changes to the PiTool slider to 1.5, reduction of SS to 30% and turning off in-game AA makes the game look great without fps impact. Unfortunately it is unclear to me whether you are referring to the 8K or 5K+ or both?
Can someone give me a Source where the following statements are being explaind / showed?
All of those are news for me, and i’d like to check them before i make a decision. Even if i thought i had made already one 
8k has (compared to the 5k+)
5k+ has (compared to the 8k)
With regards to color banding, I’m fairly certain this is a function of the game / engine and not something tied to the panel. I can find color banding in lots of games on my desktop PC. If for some reason they disappear on the 8K it’s probably just because the image is more fogged out from the upscaler.
[quote=“TheHolyOne, post:103, topic:8287”]5k+ has (compared to the 8k)
http://community.openmr.ai/t/questions-for-testers/8338/4?u=neal_white_iii
[quote=“TheHolyOne, post:103, topic:8287, full:true”]
Can someone give me a Source where the following statements are being explaind / showed?
All of those are news for me, and i’d like to check them before i make a decision. Even if i thought i had made already one 
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SweViver’s review. Just check out the 5k/8k comparison in the end.
Except that the color banding in the 5k was in the exact same games (and SteamVR environment) as the 8k’s lack of color banding, and it was a very, very clear banding compared to very smooth color transitions, according to SweViver.
I’m still sticking with my 8K - mostly as Martin thinks far distance objects are better in it and for sim titles that is a big benefit, as early detection usually means winning a fight.
I have taken a punt and am sticking with the 8k as I mainly play racing sims and ED.
Its a done deal as I have already replied to the email with my preference.
No going back now! Lol
I think I will stick to the 8K because of SDE and potential improvements later on.
I have a 1080ti unfortunately but it’s still a trade off I’m willing to make
The thing is when I watch 720p content on a higher resolution monitor, I don’t expect the picture quality to end up noticeably worse.
I didn’t expect the 8k’s image to look better than the 5k, but rather at least basically the same just with less visible SDE. I don’t understand why it looks obviously more blurry with the same input. As far as I can understand this means there’s an issue with the upscaling process, and I don’t feel like I can go 8k unless that improves. It does look like I’ll be happy with the 5k+ though, but If I could get that same quality with less SDE, it’d be perfect.
Is upscaling a lot more complicated and messy than I thought?
I received my decision email this morning and I think I may be leaning to sticking with the 8K as well. I really do want the higher res panels and what that means for potential future improvements. I also just thought about the fact that I actually won’t have both units to compare with in person so I won’t be trying to match “clarity” with the 5k+ because I would never see it. My only frame of reference will be coming from the Vive, Rift and Odyssey. In comparison to those I think that the clarity of the 8k at the Pitool 1.0 and SteamVR setting 50% should still be much better.
@SweViver would that be a true statement? In comparison to Vive, Rift and Odyssey would 8k still be a big improvement in clarity even when not increasing super sampling levels in an attempt to match 5k+ clarity?
"far distance objects are better "… I dont understand Sweviver’s message here. When you look at all images the 5K+ is always clearer, also in the distance!
I think the problem with determining clarity in distance is that a still image by a phone just isn’t good enough to check that out. And so you’ll have to go from what he says more than what you think is true from the pictures taken.
Then the question is why @SweViver chose those pictures to prove the point if they are clearly not illustrating the effect. Unless he really observes the phenomenon he talks about also on those pictures, but then I would conclude that our perceptions are very different and I would go by the pictures and not the word. Either way there is certain dichotomy in his message.
Yea but the pictures is what everyone wanted so he made the best he could while explaining they weren’t perfect.
I agree any picture that tells the wrong story should not have been posted but it happened
I already have a Rift and Samsung Odyssey along with machines with a 1080 in one and a 1080ti in the other. I use one rig for sims using the 1080ti and the 1080 and Odyssey for room scale.
I plan on getting the 2080ti and am also an 8k backer and cant make my mind up on whether to switch to the 5k+ for sims (racing and flight) or stay with the 8k and hope the 2080ti is beefy enough to make it worth it.
Yes, and in fact 720p content looks far worse on a high resolution monitor than it would on a native 720p monitor. Unless you can make the monitor an even multiple of the resolution (720p to 1440p or 2160p looks great, 720p to 1080p not so much). You need really top-notch upconversion to not have the picture be noticeably lower quality, better than most TV sets or monitors can do.
Probably because monitors don’t have upscalers. Better comparison would be a TV. You can send full hd video to the 4k TV and it will look gorgeous and clear and even better than on high end monitor. For some reason. It doesn’t seems to work same way with current headset hardware…
Ah so does that mean maybe upscaling from 1440p to 4k is just not a very good idea in the first place?
That’s incorrect. The Pimax 4k scaler works VERY good. Even though the native resolution is lower than the Vive Pro (1440p), the Pimax 4k look (much!) better both in terms of SDE, resolution and details. See:
http://community.openmr.ai/t/for-reference-pimax-4k-vs-vive-pro/8348
