Should probably stick with Apples. G2 has only 1 Audio solution. Pimax at present has 2 with a 3rd G2/Index version coming soon…
why would I do that? I would just remove the speakers and use something else.
If that’s what they need to do. That’s what oculus did when the quest launched.
Let’s not pretend that there’s a situation where having you eyes go dark because you fired your gun in game is acceptable. Because it’s not. Why are we still discussing this? It’s a flaw and any argument to the contrary is pure fanboyism at best.
Who’s talking about Pimax? At no point would I even pretend that Pimax isn’t full of flaws. The P in Pimax stands for Problems. I’m simply doing a thorough evaluation of the product and uncovered issues I have found.
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Erm, yeah you did…
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Considering the G2 is more or less a minor bump re release shouldn’t have such a poor bug.
Now Bluescreens and game/steam crashes are often a mix of things.
Because the speakers are actually really good, but you have an issue with sound isolation which is easily fixed, but you sound like you don’t want to try to fix anything just so you can criticise it
I spent 3 months 3d printing parts and buying foam and so on to try to fix my Pimax headsets before I finally gave up, a small bit of earphone padding and turning the volume down by 1 is nothing by comparison
Having the headphones built in to the headset is so much easier than running extra cables to the headset, and having ditched base stations I don’t find myself wanting to increase friction for the sake of a tiny bit of volume that you can easily fix another way
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Hmmm… Then you know that having a variety of Audio options is great. While the SMAS really isn’t a glowing vr audio it can be made to be usable.
Yes you can print speaker cups to fix issues some will have with the Techtronic BMR off ear speakers. I imagine pimax will include these cups with the DMAS when it releases.
Most headsets have headphone jack(s) so unless using a really premium audio headset shouldn’t need long cables.
Modular audio options are best. Something Oculus and pimax seem to be on point with.
That being said if G2 has similar mounting as Index in theory you should be able to 3dprint adapters to use the built in audio port vs headphone jack.
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I don’t really know where you think you are going with this one, I don’t think anyone would agree that having the speakers on top of your head is an actual option.
The G2 already comes with the equivalent of PIMAX’s best option included in the price
There are already some whom do seem to like SMAS and for those whom need to keep aware of there environment it is an option.
As for Best Option? 
I would hardly call the SMAS the best option that is currently released. Once the DMAS is released as it is using he same BMR as Index/G2 should be comparable to equal.
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Make sure you have the speakers directly aligned over your ears. You can adjust the height and distance. Secondly make sure that you don’t have anything on your PC muting the volume. In my mostly quiet room, going above 65% should be unbearably louder than a rock concert. If its not, theres something wrong with your speakers or your hearing.
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They are pretty good at what they do. But is it okay for someone to critisize them? I mean i’ve come across quite a few people that simply don’t like them and that’s ok.
I actually prefer the sound signature I get from the $50 over ear add-on’s I bought from amazon. To me they sound better (bass is more intricate and powerful) and isolate better. But again this is a personal opinion and should not bother you.
But I do find the Index speakers ability to provide spatial audio top notch.
Again I think you’re missing the point on this one.
The adjusters dont come down far enough to align over my ears unfortunately. I blame my large head. I am not the only one to mention this, several top reviewers have as well. The Index apparently has longer and more adjustable arms.
The G2 speakers always feels like it would sound better to me if I could just drop them down 1/2 inch and back a bit.
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I think he’s saying modularity and having options is not a bad thing on the off chance someone has a different opinion on the quality a particular component.
HP chose the best VR speakers they could but still made them detachable and yet provided no headphone jack. Leaving your options very slim if you happen to not like the built in solution.
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What I meant there was I expect this kind of bug from Pimax. As they are known for foolish oversights & weird bugs like this.( Kind of par for the course at this point, eye tracking is a shambles for example)
It was a knock against them.
HP should be better, as this bug is big and has been known and reported on for over a month now.
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Unfortunately he seems to want to steer things always back to his experience. Which I guess to a point we all do, just usually with less venom.
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Indeed which would make it need a very special mod if one doesn’t want extra cables or doesn’t want a BT audio.
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I can understand it though. It’s just a bit frustrating to see somebody like @drowhunter criticize a headset that’s not even suitable for him because of his IPD. Of course it won’t work right when your IPD is 2 mm out of the range.
And then he makes points like “Even pimax doesn’t have bugs that bad where you change volume to a certain setting, in combination with a certain chipset problems arise”, while pimax released software that would not even boot- AT ALL, not for anybody. Or him criticizing the G2 speakers which most people rate as best in the industry, while then rooting for Pimax, which released the worst speakers EVER on a headset in the VR history (if you don’t agree, tell me which headset had even worse speakers, I’m not aware of such headset).
I mean it just makes no sense AT ALL and yes that can become a bit frustrating to read.
Sorry , I apologize. I tend to be a bit Bipolar with my love/hate relationship with Pimax products. It can be hard to follow.
If you have been on these forums long enough you would find many posts with me ripping the SMAS speakers apart. I was VERY outspoken about how terrible i found them.
And sooooo many software issues. I had to put Asgards Wrath on hold for months because Pimax put out a firmware that basically broke oculus games. Very Frustrating.
I bought the G2 because overall I love the 8KX but it was nagging me that the G2 may have been worlds better according to several people on these forums and most youtubers. And while I can see that the screen is very good, for me personally all of these 4k headsets are in the same ballpark and the tradeoff of FOV just isn’t justifiable in my “opinion”
Plus, I really had to see what these eargasmic Index speakers really were like. Maybe the hype kind of raised my expectations too high but I’ve been using them for a while and I like them, but not enough to keep a $1000 CA headset over an 8KX that works fine for me.
I dont see what has peoples feathers so ruffled when I bring up fair criticisms of the G2 or Index speakers. The arms are too short for me and positioning could be better. If that fact doesn’t apply to you then who cares. The index simply did this part better. Deal with it.
The sound isolation is not the same as earcups. Again Its a fact i’m merely pointing out. Move on.
While this is true, it is also true of my oculus quest (which also maxes out at 68mm) which is far better in terms of focus for me , as the lenses might be superior. So this is a moot point.
Also pretty much every person who I’ve seen with posts claiming the G2 is soooo much better its night and day seem to be making the same judgement of the Pimax when clearly the optics don’t work for them.
It would be easy for me to say the same to them. For me the Pimax has zero issues with focus, lack of 3d depth eyestrain etc but I appreciate that not all headsets are for all people.
At the end of the day all we can do when reviewing a headset is tell people about our experience lay out the facts that lead to the conclusion. Perhaps someone who is reading can line up the reasoning or causes to their own situation and decide that the points mentioned will or won’t apply to them.
If i listened to every person with a 58 ipd complain about Pimax not having a clear image, and didn’t take into account the fact that my IPD was different than theirs that wouldn’t make them liars, it would make me foolish. The reviews of the G2 have been very polar. Most love it for simming but not for anything else.
I had to see with my own eyes what the deal was with the G2, because I could not find a single person who’s variables were similar enough to mine that I could trust their experience completely. Even Tyriel wood (love him) but his experience with the G2 is way out of the norm.
Overall it seems that my criticisms of these minor things seem to have been misunderstood by a couple of people in this thread as Pimax Fanboy Hate. But at no point did I say that the Pimax speakers were better I friggin hate them.
All I can see here are a few people that for sone reason can’t seem to get over the fact that no headset is perfect and that opinions other than their own are “frustrating”
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Op’s Topic Title is about things not liked about G2(so he is on topic).
Please refresh my memory as I don’t recall a version of pitool that no one had it working.
He also explained the bug comment was sarcasm and that a company as well established like HP is not really acceptable in comparison.
Most people is not everyone so the opinion fits. Plus he explained that the HP’s setup doesn’t allow him ro align the speakers properly with his ear canal(Do not drop low enough) - Skarred Ghost IIRC also had a similar issue on the Index(but his was ear symmetry had to print an angle offset of 5° to correct position).
As for Worst Audio? Do you recall the SMAS being compared to Quest default Audio? I’d have to dig but there are others. For AR you have Dreamglass.
Shouldn’t one choose to avoid topics they don’t like?
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Lol I didn’t even think of that. Why are these guys in a topic about " Things Indon’t like about the G2" getting frustrated with the contents. 
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Never said he wasn’t.
Not talking about pitool, but about piplay (for the pimax 4k). They even released 2 times (I think) a version that did not even boot. For anybody. Releasing software without even having tried to boot it one time … That’s just a whole different league. And then to claim pimax is better at that than HP … it’s just a weird statement that has not much to do with reality
Of course he’s entitled to his opinion. People can say they say a ford is a better car than a ferrari, fair enough, beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.
No. It’s just like I said, if you’re buying a pair of trousers in the wrong size and they don’t fit you, should you go ramble on the internet that these are bad trousers? It was you who bought the wrong size in the first place. I can understand the frustration that it gives to some to read that.
The Quest is one of the few headset I’ve actually never tried, I’m not interested in stand-alone VR. But if you say that the audio is as bad ad the pimax 8k-X audio, I’ll believe you.
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well said…I also really like my 8KX and don’t have the issues that others have with its optics. I like you was curious about if the G2 was truly a night and day improvement over the 8kx as stated by some.
The thing that was tricky was the claims were being made by those who had issues with the 8kx optics so I couldn’t relate to their experiences. Dmel62’s thoughts on the two were very helpful for me because he actually likes them both and could compare them from that viewpoint. His conclusion that he preferred the 8KX led me to believe that the screen clarity improvement on the G2 was not great enough to overcome the FOV loss for someone who also has a good experience with the 8KX. Your conclusions also helped reinforced this thought in my mind since you also have a good experience with the 8KX. I am sure the G2 has better clarity but I feel confident enough now that the clarity is not that much greater than what I’m already getting with my 8KX.
I’m very happy with the colors on my 8kx after the backlight adjustment release and I’m currently using the Vive DAS so the sound is good for me. I will say though that the sound on the SMAS for me was actually ok after adjusting the windows sound settings. It was lacking the bass that I’m now getting from the DAS, but it was loud enough and I did like not having anything resting on my ears. I will be curious to hear reports on the DMAS because I would like to get the “Index” sound back. I had an Index before getting the 8KX and I do miss that sound system. The spatial audio was excellent and since I game in a room with no background noise it was perfect for me.
I am glad that those who like the G2 found something that they can be happy with though. All of these headsets have their downsides but the important thing is being able to find one that you can be happy with…at least until the next best thing comes along 
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