# Pimax Roadshow-Second stop: Yullbe Wunderland **URL:** \ **Category:** General discussion\ **Tags:** featured\ **Created:** [November 20, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781 "2022-11-20T14:41:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![jojon](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@jojon](https://forum.openmr.com/u/jojon)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/110 "2022-11-26T16:26:31Z")
> [@tykey6](#): > > why do you think the pimax roadshows have had an aero and a crystal side by side for comparison? Speaking of which… I never got clear on whether this is a matter of Pimax bringing an Aero, for comparison at all the locations, or a matter of this opportunity arising incidentally, due to some of the host venues happening to own one… Anybody? ---
**Author:** ![SmallBaguette](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/smallbaguette/32/24247_2.png) [@SmallBaguette](https://forum.openmr.com/u/SmallBaguette)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/111 "2022-11-26T16:28:59Z")
MRTV had one and they were using it here but I do recall Sweviver mentioning they would be showing the Aero side by side at the road show, my impression was that they were bringing their own Aero also. Iirc I think someone at Berlin mentioning seeing the Aero side by side, which was obviously before the MRTV event. ---
**Author:** ![Axacuatl](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@Axacuatl](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Axacuatl)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/112 "2022-11-26T17:26:14Z")
> [@Heliosurge](#): > > Take another look. The feedback is mostly positive save the Controllers and things like Standalone being mia(which was said yo br not ready on launch) To be precise, the feedback about the displays was very positive - resolution, blacks, colors. The lenses do their job, but there’s the issue that some, including me, mentioned of them feeling somehow a bit off. Then you could add the material feeling pretty solid this time. So where are they in the process? Pimax are most experienced in displays and lenses because these are core components of every headset ever produced. Good. But eye-tracking/DFR, wireless and mixed reality are not there yet. Three of the major and most challenging components of their new product line. Honestly, this might take just 2-3 months or another 18 months, we simply can’t tell at this stage. And from experience we know that Pimax will only tell us that it is delayed for another couple of months if a deadline they set expires in 5 minutes. Not earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Finn](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@Finn](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/113 "2022-11-26T17:56:11Z")
@Atmos : “If I worked for Pimax you would love me. No doubt.” I don’t know about that. You’d probably be fired before I had a chance to dislike you. OR… maybe you’d be a good employee and a devil’s advocate to keep the Dev and marketing teams on point. I think all companies need some people who can be a little adversarial in the interest of improving the product. ---
**Author:** ![Heliosurge](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/heliosurge/32/28073_2.png) [@Heliosurge](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Heliosurge)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/114 "2022-11-26T18:44:15Z")
> [@SmallBaguette](#): > > > [@Atmos](#): > > > > You can’t say Crystal is primarily a PCVR headset when Crystals primary controllers are inside out tracked ignoring the current PCVR userbase of 5k, 8k, 8kX owners who all use lighthouse. > > The controller tracking method in no way dictates whether a headset is PCVR or not. Are WMR and Rift S not PCVR headsets? Also currently no headset in Standalone mode uses Lighthouse Tracking. > [@SmallBaguette](#): > > > [@Atmos](#): > > > > Until it’s released there is no Crystal. > > Well…yeah? That’s just how things work. There’s no way for Pimax to stop competitors coming out with competition, but for us consumers that’s great. Except that it is being demoed even if not released yet for reasons that it is still not ready. So it indeed exists. ---
**Author:** ![Heliosurge](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/heliosurge/32/28073_2.png) [@Heliosurge](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Heliosurge)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/115 "2022-11-26T18:52:28Z")
> [@Axacuatl](#): > > So where are they in the process? > > Pimax are most experienced in displays and lenses because these are core components of every headset ever produced. Good. > > But eye-tracking/DFR, wireless and mixed reality are not there yet. Three of the major and most challenging components of their new product line. Honestly, this might take just 2-3 months or another 18 months, we simply can’t tell at this stage. This is an excellent question as we know that the Crystal is not as close to being ready as reported at the end of September and no updates on the original “worldwide release in November” to purchase. Since from my understanding ET and even the basic WiFi 6 wireless mode is not being demoed. Maybe @PimaxQuorra can inquire on the next estimated Release Date from the Team. ---
**Author:** ![Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Atmos)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/116 "2022-11-26T18:54:34Z")
> [@Finn](#): > > @Atmos : “If I worked for Pimax you would love me. No doubt.” > I don’t know about that. You’d probably be fired before I had a chance to dislike you. > OR… maybe you’d be a good employee and a devil’s advocate to keep the Dev and marketing teams on point. > I think all companies need some people who can be a little adversarial in the interest of improving the product. I think I’d go deeper than keeping poeople on point. I would change Pimaxes whole structure from top to bottom. Management, product design, marketing, sales targets, etc. It would be a company with a future for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Atmos)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/117 "2022-11-26T18:55:35Z")
> [@Axacuatl](#): > > Pimax are most experienced in displays and lenses The displays are off the shelf. Pimax don’t develop panels. ---
**Author:** ![dstar](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/dstar/32/23885_2.png) [@dstar](https://forum.openmr.com/u/dstar)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/118 "2022-11-26T18:59:41Z")
> [@Atmos](#): > > It would be a company with a future for sure. 😂 I don’t think so, otherwise you would have had your own VR company long ago. ---
**Author:** ![dstar](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/dstar/32/23885_2.png) [@dstar](https://forum.openmr.com/u/dstar)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/119 "2022-11-26T19:01:56Z")
> [@Atmos](#): > > The displays are off the shelf. Pimax don’t develop panels. But they are looking for the right ones from the mass of existing ones. Just like everyone else. This, too, is work that needs to be considered and done. ---
**Author:** ![Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Atmos)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/120 "2022-11-26T19:02:32Z")
> [@dstar](#): > > I don’t think so, otherwise you would have had your own VR company long ago. Who owns Pimax? I think the people who stumped up $40 million. ---
**Author:** ![dstar](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/dstar/32/23885_2.png) [@dstar](https://forum.openmr.com/u/dstar)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/121 "2022-11-26T19:05:07Z")
> [@Atmos](#): > > Who owns Pimax? I think the people who stumped up $40 million. Who knows. At least not the Kickstart bakers. 😉 Even if you sometimes get the feeling here in the forum. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Atmos)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/122 "2022-11-26T19:05:41Z")
> [@dstar](#): > > But they are looking for the right ones from the mass of existing ones. Just like everyone else. This, too, is work that needs to be considered and done. Most manufacturers take the BoM v sales to equal profit. Pimax have a high BoM and relitively low sales. Not a good combination which is why you avoid the 7% kickstarter fee at all costs. ---
**Author:** ![Axacuatl](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@Axacuatl](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Axacuatl)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/123 "2022-11-26T19:11:25Z")
If we simplify matters, that‘s true. But then you‘d be a master chef too if somebody just dropped you the ingredients for a delicate meal and voila, it‘s certain to end up being delicious. Eye-tracking is from Tobii, so surely no issue, it will work in the new headset right away, he? No, because Pimax don‘t know too much of integration of eye-tracking into a headset. The Droloon ET module was a failure. I believe the true challenge for such systems lies in the integration of its components. From big naval projects I know that the integration responsibility was always a very sensitive subject and added substantial amounts because while on paper things are supposedly fitting, in practice you‘d find all sort of non-specified elements which caused issues in their interaction with other components of the system, while working perfectly stand-alone and not being in breach of the specified parts of their component either. Sorting all of that out is no easy feat - and sometimes simply cannot be done w/o major re-design work. And my guess is that Pimax tend to underestimate the challenges, just walk around and fill their basket in the big virtual store of tech components and then assume, they‘ll just do some trial & error and it will work eventually - „just give us 2 months for integration, then it‘ll be ready for release“. ---
**Author:** ![dstar](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/dstar/32/23885_2.png) [@dstar](https://forum.openmr.com/u/dstar)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/124 "2022-11-26T19:13:06Z")
> [@Atmos](#): > > Most manufacturers take the BoM v sales to equal profit. Pimax have a high BoM and relitively low sales. Not a good combination which is why you avoid the 7% kickstarter fee at all costs. Stop meddling in company affairs. That does not concern you. Unless you are a major shareholder. Are you? ---
**Author:** ![Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Atmos)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/125 "2022-11-26T19:20:19Z")
> [@dstar](#): > > Stop meddling in company affairs. That does not concern you. Unless you are a major shareholder. Are you? If I was Portal would not exist. ---
**Author:** ![Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Atmos](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Atmos)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/126 "2022-11-26T19:23:59Z")
Thats pretty much what Qualcomm does. They give you their reference design and anyone with the money can buy in. The thing is, easy in is easy out when a competitor does your USP better than you. Crystal has deminished Pimaxes USP which is FoV and it’s open to companies like HTC to nudge their next Focus HMD up from 2448 x 2448 to Crystals 2880x2880. ---
**Author:** ![mmorselli](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/mmorselli/32/1386_2.png) [@mmorselli](https://forum.openmr.com/u/mmorselli)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/127 "2022-11-26T20:48:17Z")
> [@Lucivr](#): > > no, you can’t. I’m sure there are a lot of enthusiasts here in the forum. including me. however, there has not yet been an election/vote for a speaker. This is because you may be an enthusiast, but not an enthusiast like me, as I wrote. I understand that answering on the Internet “you can’t speak for everyone” is a great satisfaction, but it shouldn’t be used even with those who obviously aren’t speaking for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![mmorselli](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/mmorselli/32/1386_2.png) [@mmorselli](https://forum.openmr.com/u/mmorselli)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/128 "2022-11-26T21:03:37Z")
> [@Atmos](#): > > That’s exactly what Pimax are doing. They are going full consumer. The Portal is a device going head to head with Nintendo switch. Portal is not a VR headset, although it can be slipped into a cardboard, it’s a gaming console that Pimax produces for just one purpose: increasing components orders. I’m not going to mix Portal talk with VR headset talk > [@Atmos](#): > > Crystal is going head to head with the Focus 3 Despite of seeing very few similarities between Focus 3 and Crystal, HTC’s product is business-oriented, not consumer-oriented, and uses proven and consolidated (and often poor) non-innovative technologies ---
**Author:** ![mmorselli](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/mmorselli/32/1386_2.png) [@mmorselli](https://forum.openmr.com/u/mmorselli)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781/129 "2022-11-26T21:09:28Z")
> [@Atmos](#): > > If I worked for Pimax you would love me. No doubt. Impossible, you would take away all the most innovative functions to get a product to market faster. The reason I don’t hate you is that your words fortunately have no practical effect 😁 [Previous page](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forum.openmr.com/t/pimax-roadshow-second-stop-yullbe-wunderland/39781.md?page=7)