# KAT loco Kickstarter coming in June (Works on the Pimax) **URL:** \ **Category:** Controllers\ **Tags:** mocap, locomotion\ **Created:** [June 5, 2019, 4:54am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256 "2019-06-05T04:54:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![MarcoBalletta](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/marcoballetta/32/1829_2.png) [@MarcoBalletta](https://forum.openmr.com/u/MarcoBalletta)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/121 "2019-12-25T12:43:19Z")
They asked for my 2 sets id’s to update something on their end so that the 2 sets can work in the same play area ---
**Author:** ![DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/drwilken/32/26997_2.png) [@DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/u/DrWilken)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 12:54pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/122 "2019-12-25T12:54:08Z")
> [@Walkovr - VR locomotion](https://community.openmr.com/t/walkovr-vr-locomotion/7277/106): > > Would mocap work only on games supporting full body tracking like vrchat? You should probably ask in the comments section. I see there’s already a question about the two sets functionality: Q: > Can we use 2 sets of Kat for mocap? (2 ankles, 2 knees and 1 waist) A: > Hi there Zozomdo, > > Mocap based on two sets is still in development. We’ll release more details about it when it’s ready for presentation. > > Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Heliosurge](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/heliosurge/32/28073_2.png) [@Heliosurge](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Heliosurge)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/123 "2019-12-25T13:18:28Z")
Okay so not ready for 2 set mocap yet. 🙄🤔🖖✨ ---
**Author:** ![MarcoBalletta](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/marcoballetta/32/1829_2.png) [@MarcoBalletta](https://forum.openmr.com/u/MarcoBalletta)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/124 "2019-12-25T13:20:09Z")
So confusing lol. I asked them via WhatsApp just now. Let’s see ---
**Author:** ![DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/drwilken/32/26997_2.png) [@DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/u/DrWilken)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 1:24pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/125 "2019-12-25T13:24:30Z")
> [@Heliosurge](#): > > Okay so not ready for 2 set mocap yet. 🙄🤔🖖✨ > [@MarcoBalletta](#): > > So confusing lol. I asked them via WhatsApp just now. Let’s see Maybe they’re just not “ready ready”. You know like “done done”… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/drwilken/32/26997_2.png) [@DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/u/DrWilken)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/126 "2019-12-25T14:01:42Z")
@MarcoBalletta: I agree on the latency/delay part. If You’re playing something like Pavlov online 1 sec wait before starting strafing or stepping back definitely won’t work. I wonder if it’s something they can solve though because when You look at the KAT Gateway dashboard “status” tab You can tell that there _is_ latency on the movement so I’m guessing/fearing it might actually be what’s causing the delay, i.e. the actual latency in receiving the data from the sensors? I’ll ask them if it’s possible to add a “delay” slider for lateral (strafing) and back movements 😉 Sent this mail: > Hi again 😉 > > I’m wondering if it would be possible to control the delay there seems to be for lateral and backwards movement? > > A “delay” slider for those two in the KAT Gateway dashboard would be a cool feature. > > If not a slider, maybe just a “instant action” on/off toggle? > > It seems to me the reaction to both lateral and backwards locomotion would be too slow to react if/when playing an online shooter like Pavlov or Onward. EDIT: It seems like the input latency isn’t _that_ bad, so if we could just remove the delay it would be “OK”… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MarcoBalletta](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/marcoballetta/32/1829_2.png) [@MarcoBalletta](https://forum.openmr.com/u/MarcoBalletta)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/127 "2019-12-25T14:21:16Z")
My understanding is that the delay has been added on purpose to avoid having unwanted sideways and backwards movements when doing forward movements. It is something that I think should be fixed optimizing the algorithm. I asked the same and i hope that more notices/feedback as mine and yours would come to their attention and give us a solution ---
**Author:** ![DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/drwilken/32/26997_2.png) [@DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/u/DrWilken)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/128 "2019-12-25T14:22:30Z")
> [@MarcoBalletta](#): > > My understanding is that the delay has been added on purpose to avoid having unwanted sideways and backwards movements when doing forward movements. It is something that I think should be fixed optimizing the algorithm. Corrected my post above as I think You’re right (after checking again). The input latency doesn’t seem _that_ bad… 😉 > [@MarcoBalletta](#): > > I asked the same and i hope that more notices/feedback as mine and yours would come to their attention and give us a solution Yeah, for now it seems more like a gimmick (and pretty annoying at times) than an actual improvement over just using the standard free locomotion with a controller… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MarcoBalletta](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/marcoballetta/32/1829_2.png) [@MarcoBalletta](https://forum.openmr.com/u/MarcoBalletta)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/129 "2019-12-25T15:45:14Z")
> [@DrWilken](#): > > Yeah, for now it seems more like a gimmick (and pretty annoying at times) than an actual improvement over just using the standard free locomotion with a controller… 😉 No way for me 🙂 I prefer a locomotion system based on using feet (or in the worse case scenario using chest) more than using a controller’s joystick or thumbpad. Because I am peaky, that is why I am after getting it the way I want though it will also not be perfect. Unfortunately I can’t stand using joysticks and thumbpads ☹ ---
**Author:** ![DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/drwilken/32/26997_2.png) [@DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/u/DrWilken)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/130 "2019-12-25T15:47:05Z")
Haha… 😁 What can I say? Luckily, I’m not “spoiled”… yet… 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/drwilken/32/26997_2.png) [@DrWilken](https://forum.openmr.com/u/DrWilken)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/131 "2019-12-26T10:31:04Z")
Update from KATVR: > Dear Christian, > > Thank you for your suggestion; > > I’m sorry about that, actually the original design goal for the delay time on lateral and backwards movement was to avoid the misjudgment of player’s movement. > > “instant action” option as you suggested has been reported to our R&D as the accessibility about shortening the reaction time needs to be tested; > > Will keep you updated if there is any result. > > Best regard！ Fingers crossed… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Heliosurge](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/heliosurge/32/28073_2.png) [@Heliosurge](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Heliosurge)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256/132 "2020-01-11T03:24:10Z")
Katloco Confirmed. 3 sensor mocap only for release. [Previous page](https://forum.openmr.com/t/kat-loco-kickstarter-coming-in-june-works-on-the-pimax/20256.md?page=6)