I think I've already decided!

This photo is not accurate.
watch this moment: (2h:37m3s)

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Yeah, I hear ya. It’s still a hard choice but it looks like the reduced SDE of the 8k may not be worth the extra pixels if the chip that scales the images will always be a hardware limitation. I think the SDE in both the 5k+ and the 8k will be so similarly small, that I’d really love to just try both - or buy both and use them for different things

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Zoomed in photos are showing objects thay are close. You would need an unzoomed pic showing something off in the horizon so to speak.

Yeah ok, see that looks better.

Someone else review had a photo with a snip of part of a tree branch in the distance, the 5k+ was clear while the 8k was kind of brown smudges. That and the text is what got me leaning towards the 5k+, just because I imagined an enemy unit taking up that amount of pixel space on a screen and which would suit my sim games better. The reality is I don’t even know if I could see the difference while wearing either HMD

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Indeed…

Also it seems as if the brightness of the 8K is much higher, not sure how much that could affect readability.

I deleted my first post, don’t want people to be mislead by that picture since it’s not accurate.

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Yes the 5K+ looks to have a higher “blue” level.
and the 8K more like Apple’s “TrueTone”.

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I cannot decide between 8k and 5k+. I wish there would be another meetup in Berlin again.

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Dam it, i’m unsure again, I need a poll showing what flight / racing sim users have decided!

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Same here, I would like to know which of the two could get the better blacks after tweaking the backlight.

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@sweviver’s video does mention the 8k has +4lux over the 5k+. Lots of info (still watching :laughing:)

Not sure he’s leaving much for a followup. :beers::sunglasses::+1::sparkles:

And lots of sim games showcasing.

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what happens to the delivery time if so many bakers switch to 5K+???

My current take:

The 5k+ and the 8K are so close that the through screen pics are of not much use. On some, the 8K looks better, on others the 5K takes it. I think that it’s just too difficult to get these comparison shots with the HMD’s being so similar.

That’s bad news because this resolution VS clarity difference I don’t think can be fully comprehended without seeing for your self. Therefore, if sweviver says the the 8K will be better for sims with a baddest boy GPU, then you just have to get the 8K,order a 2080TI and trust!

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I really want to see them compared to the existing P4k most of us own…

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My only reservation on that comment is that

1 : Input resolution are the same on both headsets physically not possible to have more details on the 8K vs 5K+ at best the same image details and only maybe a sharper images because of some processing better showing in 4K panel

2: In those video of SIM the reading of the cockpit instruments are munch more readable in the 5K+ just take a second look.

The 8K zoomed images are showing a strange dithering pattern that don’t like but in some case this dithering helps our brain to forget the pixel patterns because it’s blurring the image

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Watch all of Sweviver’s review. Keep in mind with zooming the image you will notice fine differences. Just like you will with a High quality laser like injet vs an actual laser printer’s print.

Towards the end of Sweviver’s video he details pros & cons of each.

Essentially if your playing games where far extreme distances the 8k has an advantage.

If your playing more casual like games or things like Skyrim where you don’t need far distances the 5k has the nicer picture.

It does of course make a choice difficult. But I’d say weigh based on prefered games & gpu strength. @VoodooDE said I beleive you need 30% more gpu to take advantage of the 8k.

Sweviver also goes into detail on color if each & lux values for current brightness. & lots more. :laughing:

He also goes over the pixel layout both are RGB. But pattern different. The 5k has a more traditional patterm; where aa the 8k has a diagonal pattern. The 4k had Arc swirls(RGB-Rainbow)

I don’t see how this is really possible, not saying Martin isn’t see something different but how could two headsets with the same resolution input one showing less details in close range but more details in far range. In all captures taken I see less detail at the horizon in the 8k, take a look at the racing scene on the 5k+ the windows of the house are square but a blob on the 8k.

My hypothesis is that the sharpening mask is stronger on the 8K and that some details will pop out

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Exactly! That’s why I’m saying words are just not making this concept clear. I’m thinking you just have to SEE what he’s talking about.
Maybe, Sweviver, or someone else thats seen the M2 can take one last stab at clearing this up. This seems to be the only confusing item left after those great reviews.

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There was a recent post done by a user that explains scaler with sharpening Mask. With Far distance the SDE will cause you not to be able to focus as well due to how much the SDE disrupts an object. The upscaled image occupies more pixel density. The far off object if moving will show movement better(softer/blurred but fuller).

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Was not far off ok make sense the brain can interpolate better if less disruption pattern occur in the signal.

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If this is true then the same result should be achieved just by moving your head a bit so the small details span more pixels over time and are not locked to a fixed grid.