The new v2 isn’t compatible due to the new design which works better & requires less components. Cheaper to make & sell. If valve was hard up then the v2.0 tracking wouldn’t be compatible with v1 lighthouses. But for those who are not looking for the benefits that v2 lighthouses bring can stick with v1 lighthouses & accessories; only trouble is if your buying v1 lighthouses are apt to cost you more.
Support posted diagram to show difference between v1 & v2.
To support both a selector switch minimally would be needed.
HTC is really the one that doesn’t need to support v2 accessories as they want to sell their stuff. All Lighthouses & tracking tech is Valve’s creation licensed out.
Ah you’re right, it’s the other way around. The v1 accessories are waiting for the blink but the v2 base stations don’t provide it. Thanks for clearing that up.
I don’t think valve is hard on any one just targeting different goals from HTC. Valve is trying to decrease cost and increase VR awareness, content, and accessibility for third party hardware developers like Pimax in hope that this will increasing sales in Steam. HTC would be trying to survive in a now more fragmented market going this year toward cheaper devices. In full disclosure I choose the Vive headset because of the full room tracking system.
I will acknowledge that since V2 accessories are backward compatible with V1 lighthouses their is not much interest from HTC to make V2 lighthouses compatible with V1 protocol.
Anyway in one year any Vive users will want to upgrade toward the new HTC Vive 2.0 except maybe us Pimax 8K owners
I’m confused. I thought Pimax supports v1 lighthouses and htc wands and now htc tracking pucks?
Or is Pimax using v2 lighthouse tech so it won’t support v1 tracking pucks but does support htc wands?
V2 accessories don’t mean V2 Light houses, if you use V1 lighthouses from HTC with the Pimax 8K and vive controllers will work no problem. for the trackers it should work the only limitation is that the accessories are linked by RF to the headset and they are a maximum number of link possible. If you use more than one tracker it’s possible that you will need the Valve RF dongle…
Ahh ok. I am interested in indy based Mocap so I would have 6 trackers (3 x pucks 2 x wands 1 x headset) with a gen 1 vive and would like the option to buy just an 8K headset next year and keep all the existing pucks and controllers I already have. If thats not possible its no big deal but would save me £300 or so.
Funny, was just on this site when you replied. I’ve just bought Katana X and I was thinking that this kind of game would be fun in full body tracking where you could kick, punch and cut fruits…
IKinema ask 400 pounds by year for their motion/capture SDK ;-/
You are mistaken. Here’s the deal: You know how the headset and controllers are covered in tiny sensors? There are now two models of those tiny sensors, 1.0 and 2.0. The 1.0 sensors can only detect a signal from a 1.0 Lighthouse/Base Station; if you use a 2.0 Lighthouse/Base Station, any device using those 1.0 sensors does not work. But if a device is covered in the new 2.0 sensors, that device is backwards compatible; it will work with either 1.0 or 2.0 Lighthouse/Base Stations.
Pimax 8K is using the new 2.0 tiny sensors. The HTC Tracker pucks, on the other hand, are only using the 1.0 tiny sensors, so will not work with Base Station 2.0. If you get a Pimax with its 2.0 Base Stations, the tracker pucks won’t work; you would need to go out and buy current Vive Base Stations, then you would be able to use both Pimax and HTC Trackers.
@Dreamwriter if you re-read carefully this is what I said … V2 accessories= V2 sensor “V2 accessories don’t mean V2 Light houses”. I was referring to my previous post, in which I said ( In this one can cause confusion) That it would be technically possible to make V2 light house compatible with V1 sensor be adding the synchronization led array like in the first V2 tracking SDK from valve. This ** will not append ** because all( most?) third party vendors will only repackage the Valve V2 reference design like Pimax.
I explained this on post #19 in this thread so my reply was maybe shorter than it should have
Assuming the pre-ordered trackers ship with 1.0 sensors and not 2.0 sensors… Considering the compatibility dilemma that had been described many times I’d say the pre-ordered pucks will come with 2.0 sensors (complete assumption).
@brian91292 Possible but the HTC tracker I have here was sold before the ts4231 was available in qty
so anything possible but I would be surprise. Many people think that Valve 2.0 tracking will come with Vive 2.0. headset. Although the ts4231 is compatible with ts3633 the HTC tracker use, the circuit and firmware must be redesign to add the data line management for the device to be compatible with the 2.0 Valve protocol… possible but improbable sadly ;-(
Unless HTC is preparing to “Day” a “Dream” VR 2.0 headset for the Q1/Q2 2018 punt intended
HTC was asked about that, and they basically said that they don’t really care about 2.0 compatibility with the trackers, since there are no 2.0 products on the market yet. They’ve been using 1.0 since the first prototypes last January, and don’t want to delay launch of the trackers to change their design at this point to fit the new sensors in them.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the C1 pin on the ts4231 is for the de-modulated data information and the C1 pin on ts3633 is assigned to the envelope out function. Furthermore the ts4231 wait for a startup configuration on pin C1 & C2 upon boot. This would imply that the tracker circuit pcb must be redesign to accept the ts4231 chip
Source? It makes sense that developers would get 1.0 trackers, but considering the fact that 2.0 is right around the corner it makes no sense that they would ship trackers with 1.0 sensors on them for the consumer release. They want to make their product cheaper and more accessible, this is the main reason for the 2.0 tracking system to exist in the first place (2.0 base stations are cheaper to produce). Why would they want to put out a product that is immediately made obsolete by a system that is cheaper to produce? I’ll have to look around and see what I can dig up but that just doesn’t sound right.
Brian this doesn’t make sense unless HTC has no plan for any new hi-end product ( aka with 2.0 tracking) in Q1 Q2 Q3 2018, I hope not, but HTC is not Facebook
