# 8KX vs 8K+ vs HP Reverb (Macro shots) **URL:** \ **Category:** P2: 8kX\ **Tags:** comparison, review\ **Created:** [October 18, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753 "2019-10-18T23:33:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SweViver](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/sweviver/32/3917_2.png) [@SweViver](https://forum.openmr.com/u/SweViver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/1 "2019-10-18T23:33:03Z")
Interesting! This is the first time I see such a dramatic difference due to 8K+ upscaling. ![8KX_vs_8Kplus_vs_HP](https://community.openmr.ai/uploads/default/original/2X/7/7b379af6f003b716ebac0b8ff4e37f7282dc995b.jpeg) A closer look: ![8KX_vs_8Kplus](https://community.openmr.ai/uploads/default/original/2X/3/324ad52094d9b2701f7481cf3585c4987c7ba7b1.jpeg) Just for fun: šŸ˜‰ ![8KX_vs_8Kplus_vs_Vive](https://community.openmr.ai/uploads/default/original/2X/3/3b700da8b9e27e373be9c121ee5a17f0e4a1e3b1.jpeg) Edit: Now, This is a tricky one. Took me probably 2 hours to shoot that HP photo in the middle, among maybe 100 failed shots lol. The HPā€™s poor contrast, moire and weird SDE pattern makes it very very difficult to capture black text on white background with HP Reverb. Shot with 30mm macro 1:1.25. All shots are under-exposed of course, to prevent the contrast from killing the blacks. **Download the image and peek at 100%** ![TEXT_comparison](https://community.openmr.ai/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1b3333fab81f8499efd03dc90f819e6ba5438038.jpeg) Next oneā€¦ Not sure why (because its not that obvious every time) but the clarity just came out way better on the 8KX in Assetto Corsa, in every single shotā€¦ ![5Kplus_vs_8Kplus_vs_8KX_](https://community.openmr.ai/uploads/default/original/2X/7/74b18154fc97492ce3c856196324a62083baeb33.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![generic](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/41988e/32.png) [@generic](https://forum.openmr.com/u/generic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/2 "2019-10-18T23:39:58Z")
@SweViver That Macro shot of the Vive. ![b128f37d34529a15630cbe0fa610c54865e84b56e48c76f086a208b0fd6aad01](https://community.openmr.ai/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f50cd3781f72a6c01276441ff2d2e4b6b6b9e3b3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![generic](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/41988e/32.png) [@generic](https://forum.openmr.com/u/generic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/3 "2019-10-18T23:56:05Z")
The 8KX for reading Text is just BEAUTIFUL. Iā€™m going to be in VR just reading Manga. @SweViver Have you tried reading comics or Manga in VR? I highly recommend it. For some reason they feel even better in Virtual Desktop since the images donā€™t move like video and you can have an entire image covering your FOV. I wonder what my experience with the X will be. The 5K+ was already pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Ludiks](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/ludiks/32/25814_2.png) [@Ludiks](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Ludiks)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/4 "2019-10-19T00:26:47Z")
Indeed, 8k+ looks fuzzy BUT The upscaler can maybe updated for contrasted colors like this. How is black/white text? > [@generic](#): > > The 8KX for reading Text is just BEAUTIFUL. Yupā€¦looks like a typical lcd screen šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![TrevorVR](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/trevorvr/32/5422_2.png) [@TrevorVR](https://forum.openmr.com/u/TrevorVR)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/5 "2019-10-19T00:29:40Z")
Martin @SweViver I havent noticed you talk about the dark colors/blacks in the new ā€œvisionā€ series. Those good enough to go playing a dark game ? Better than 5k+ ? ---
**Author:** ![VR247](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/vr247/32/9321_2.png) [@VR247](https://forum.openmr.com/u/VR247)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:32am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/6 "2019-10-19T00:32:15Z")
I dont find the blacks bad at all in contrasting scenes with my 5k+. ---
**Author:** ![Octofox](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/octofox/32/27596_2.png) [@Octofox](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Octofox)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/7 "2019-10-19T00:41:19Z")
Oof hard to say no to that lovely Elite text. What specs are you running to get this? PiTool 1.0, all in-game 1.0 / default? Million dollar question - average FPS on 8KX and 8k+ with defaults? šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![nukular](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/53a042/32.png) [@nukular](https://forum.openmr.com/u/nukular)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/9 "2019-10-19T00:44:08Z")
It looks sharper zoomed inā€¦ But I guess not on normal view distanceā€¦ Hype ā€¦ Nah I think I go for the 8K+ and save 300 bucksā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![nukular](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/53a042/32.png) [@nukular](https://forum.openmr.com/u/nukular)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/10 "2019-10-19T00:45:20Z")
Pleas give us a comparision with the actual 5K+ on that levelā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![TrevorVR](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/trevorvr/32/5422_2.png) [@TrevorVR](https://forum.openmr.com/u/TrevorVR)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/11 "2019-10-19T00:55:23Z")
What I wanna know is the FPS/quality comparison against the leading mainstream headsets. Meaning can I get the same (or better) visuals and FPS but with a larger FOV. @anon57422158 @SweViver ---
**Author:** ![generic](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/41988e/32.png) [@generic](https://forum.openmr.com/u/generic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/12 "2019-10-19T00:56:55Z")
I doubt the FPS side will be better. The quality though is amazing. ---
**Author:** ![jojon](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@jojon](https://forum.openmr.com/u/jojon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/13 "2019-10-19T00:57:45Z")
Barring possible things yet to be revealed, I see zero reason to ā€œsidegradeā€ from a 5k+ or 8k to a 8k+, unless SDE is the single most important matter to oneā€™s sensibilities. It is not going to be able to show significantly more detail (panel physical size might do a tiny bit - donā€™t know the sizes between the three devices - we know the 5k+ already was a bit smaller, bringing more pixels into view, but that was compared to the original 5k I take itā€¦? - So how is its size relative to the 8k, and to the new devices?) ---
**Author:** ![VR247](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/vr247/32/9321_2.png) [@VR247](https://forum.openmr.com/u/VR247)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/14 "2019-10-19T01:01:27Z")
I would guess details are vastly improved. ---
**Author:** ![jojon](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@jojon](https://forum.openmr.com/u/jojon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/16 "2019-10-19T01:04:05Z")
How so? The image that goes from the computer to the headset is still the exact same 1440p one as for the older models. I fail to see how the 8k+ is anything other than a drop-in ā€œrefreshā€ replacement for the 8k, and what the 8k was supposed to be in the first place, after full 4k was dropped (EDIT: ā€¦and before sweviverā€™s macro photos revealed the ā€œfaux kā€ nature of the 8kā€™s display panels). ---
**Author:** ![SweViver](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/sweviver/32/3917_2.png) [@SweViver](https://forum.openmr.com/u/SweViver)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/17 "2019-10-19T01:04:52Z")
This is a tricky one. Took me probably 2 hours to shoot that HP photo in the middle, among maybe 100 failed shots lol. The HPā€™s poor contrast, moire and weird SDE pattern makes it very very difficult to capture black text on white background with HP Reverb. Shot with 30mm macro 1:1.25. All shots are under-exposed of course, to prevent the contrast from killing the blacks. **Download the image and peek at 100%** ![TEXT_comparison](https://community.openmr.ai/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1b3333fab81f8499efd03dc90f819e6ba5438038.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![TrevorVR](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/trevorvr/32/5422_2.png) [@TrevorVR](https://forum.openmr.com/u/TrevorVR)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/18 "2019-10-19T01:09:00Z")
All I can see is that the brown sneaky fox went in to the little red ridinghoods alley, drank some cerveza, ate a taco, impregnated her sister and stole her kids and moneys. ---
**Author:** ![VR247](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/vr247/32/9321_2.png) [@VR247](https://forum.openmr.com/u/VR247)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/19 "2019-10-19T01:10:04Z")
I was thinking over the 5k sorry ---
**Author:** ![jojon](https://forum.openmr.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@jojon](https://forum.openmr.com/u/jojon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/20 "2019-10-19T01:18:53Z")
> [@anon57422158](#): > > Something to consider is the + has new panels, a higher utilization and the scaler itself is new as well. Itā€™s better than the 5k+ and 8k across the board. Iā€™m sure. For an entry level Pimax 8k/5k series device it looks the obvious choice, but as an upgrade from a previous one; mwwwā€¦ does it really bring that much new for the money? (already granted: depends on what one value, and how highly) :7 EDIT: > [@TrevorVR](#): > > All I can see is that the brown sneaky fox went in to the little red ridinghoods alley, drank some cerveza, ate a taco, impregnated her sister and stole her kids and moneys. I see you read from the La Vive-a Loca screenshot. ---
**Author:** ![MrScopi](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/mrscopi/32/9173_2.png) [@MrScopi](https://forum.openmr.com/u/MrScopi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/22 "2019-10-19T01:33:05Z")
Looking forward to hearing all the details we can while we futz around on the backer bonus website! Iā€™m eager to see all the options available to us. Is the intention to once again have you and Martin be the showrunners? Will there be a moderated chat or Q&A afterwards? ---
**Author:** ![Douglaster](https://forum.openmr.com/user_avatar/forum.openmr.com/douglaster/32/1443_2.png) [@Douglaster](https://forum.openmr.com/u/Douglaster)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753/24 "2019-10-19T01:34:42Z")
Sweet, sweet clarity. Thanks Martin ! But of course we need MORE. Can you please do it with this image ? ![](https://image.slidesharecdn.com/font-size-defaults2007571/95/font-size-defaults2007-1-728.jpg) This is the ULTIMATE test. [Next page](https://forum.openmr.com/t/8kx-vs-8k-vs-hp-reverb-macro-shots/22753.md?page=2)