I know, that’s why I don’t have one. But if I had the option, yes please.
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Sure, that would be great.
In the meantime, I’ll be using my 2080 for the 8KX with the same settings I’m using now for my 8K. I’m sure it will look noticeably better and will run at the same framerate. Once I upgrade my GPU (in about a year), the 8KX will look even better once I crank some settings.
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For Pimax 8k X you need a rtx 3080 ti @ 2.2 ghz if you want to play No man sky at around 50 -60 fps .
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I would in any case wait for the 3080 (TI) to appear - it will most likely be the cause for some price adjustments on older models and give confidence on how much it improves over the previous Generations.
One thing is sure - for me at least - even with my 5k+ I can’t get enough HP to fire everything up to 90hz/120hz the way I would like to. For some games it’s the CPU (9900 @5Ghz for the first cores) and in some it’s the GPU (2080TI EVGA) and some it’s both. Mostly that falls also down to games not using the architectures full potentials.
I fear, more will help more in this case - and if I can afford it somehow, I will go for a 3080TI unless it’s performance is not significantly better. Taking a lucky educated guess, that would be around 40-50% increase since then more often games would reach those 90FPS (instead of near 60) or for the 8k X pick up the extra Pixels and get them into my eyes at least every 13ms (72hz) or better.
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I first played NMS on my old 580Ti (with medium settings) and it worked well on 1080p so I was confused why everyone is bashing it so much. I guess CPU might be bottleneck as it needs to generate complex world all the time. Did no try it in VR yet.
OP: If you already have 2080 I don’t see much point upgrading to 2080Ti. If you want to upgrade I would wait for 3xxx series.
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yes I have tried No man sky in vr with an rtx 2080 ti @ 2070 mhz and a i9 9900k @ 4.8 ghz. steam ss 110% pi tool render 1.0 and pimax xr with normal fov. I am getting 25-30 fps on a planet with alot of gras , ingame settings are max.
I would not expect to see an increase from 2080Ti to 3080Ti beyond 15-20%, if we are lucky 25%.
In the past years the increase in performance has been pretty modest and there is little evidence to suggest we can hope for a larger jump for the next generation.
Obviously NVidia will tease some greater increase percentages but we know from past experience that they just pick out some random use case which suits them best to show off the performance of their new generation of GPUs and in real life their improvements were much lower.
I skipped the 1080Ti and went directly from the 980Ti to the 2080Ti, and unless they surprise me and beat my above-mentioned outlook I will be skipping the 3080Ti. Unless my 2080Ti struggles to properly feed my the 8KX and the 3080Ti would be good enough to lift it up to the required level.
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Or, the 1080Ti. You know, that card that released 3 years ago with 11GB of VRAM.
Downgrades are so cool when Nvidia does it, true?
I’m not sure what you are saying with the downgrades comment. The 1080ti is still a great card ahead of its time, I’ve honestly considered selling my 5700XT to get one just because of the 11GB of VRAM.
The 2080ti is a better card than the 1080ti but I don’t see anything else as an upgrade from it and that’s a lot of money to upgrade.
I have a 1080 Ti. It’s a champ. It’s not ahead of it’s time. It was a great card when it was released for a fair-ish price.
My point is that the 2080 is basically a 1080Ti with 8GB of VRAM. Hence, a downgrade that you have the amazing privilege of paying $100+ more than what the 1080Ti cost when it was released.
Unless you play the six (6) whole titles that actually support what apparently makes this gen worth so much more money.
Can’t wait until the 20 series is dead and buried and looked back upon as the biggest mistake Nvidia tried to shove in our faces. My version of the story has them paying for that mistake, severely.
Time will tell.
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Snap.
I use the two RTX options in PiTool, don’t know the exact FPS difference enabled but I have settings that aren’t too intrusive and I’ll take the extra FPS.
New PC and this card is a world away from ancient PC and 980 Ti. Elite with PP struggled to get 30FPS, visual quality on par with Lenovo, text unclear. Just wider 
New one runs PT 2.0, 0.25 Steam, HMD 1.25 in-game. It has great text clarity, less artifacts, solid 45/90FPS in the demanding areas.
A worthwhile new card from here would need enough grunt to allow me to turn off Motion Smoothing and / or FFR and still maintain the frame rate
Also with the 8KX we’ll have to see about native / less than native / upscaled, per app, and factor that in
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The rumors are 50%, because of the process shrink (to 7mn) and with a significant reduction in power usage as well. The 20xx line was barely an improvement over the 10xx. Hopefully, that will be rectified in the new GPUs.
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If that’s the case it’s really something to look forward to! Yay… 
Isn’t that stretching it a bit? 20-30% increase is also something. It was just way too expensive… 
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Based on the recent trend of generation performance increase the 10 series was ahead of its time by a generation. The 20 series however went back to the typical trend for the most part. The 2080 should never have been considered as a upgrade from a 1080ti, the 2080 was never intended to be more than the second rung. Nvidia typically release each generation where the next lowest card matches the performance of the current generation. That is the 60 will match the 70, the 70 will match the 80 and the 80 will match the 80ti. And in the case of the 20 series we mostly saw that, the 2080 was better in some situations and not as good in others. It was never intended to be the 1080ti replacement, the 2080ti was always going to be that card. The price hike of the 20 series is born from 3 factors, not enough competition at the top end, memory prices and a crazy market. There were cost increases Nvidia had to pass on but like Intel a large part of the price was a capitalist market, supply and demand or more to the point because they can and they are in the business to make money.
Looking at the 2080 as a downgrade is the wrong way of looking at it because it was never meant to replace that card. The 2080 is an upgrade from the 1080 which it replaced. The 2080ti is an upgrade from the 1080ti which it replaced.
I don’t think Nvidia made a mistake with the 20 series and can’t see them being punished for anything. They 20 series was innovative. It has brought features to the market that will remain important features moving forward. AMD are behind. Nvidia are still the market leaders at this point, they have the best features. The 20 series cards are the best cards on the market for gamers. They are the best cards on the market for VR. Nvidia are in a current position of strength. If that position of strength continues in the next generation remains to be seen.
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The rumours are all over the map, some have been claiming up to twice the performance but time will tell. I would be surprised if Nvidia don’t stay ahead of AMD by a decent margin but at the same time I’d like to see AMD become more competitive because it is better for the consumer.
What we have currently is one benchmark of an unknown card paired with an AMD mobile CPU that beats the highest overclocked example of a 2080ti that has run that benchmark by 17% and beats the typical 2080ti by 25-30%. Or I saw someone say it could be a multi GPU.
AMD seem to be excited about big Navi. That’s interesting because based on the past the next top card AMD release is not the one to get excited about, it would be the one after that. If AMD follow their form from the past the next card will be their overpriced “Pro” card to replace the Radeon VII. It would be better than the current cards but at a huge cost and then later they will release the next gen of GPU that will match or exceed the “Pro” cards performance in gaming at a more sensible price. Time will tell.
If Nvidia follow their typical form the 3080 will offer similar performance to a 2080ti but also is unlikely to be superior in some areas leaving room for the 3080ti. What the market is no doubt hoping for is a card that leaps a generation like the 10 series did. I think a large part of gamers would like to see high fps RT gaming. VR gamers would like to see performance to drive high resolution gaming with ultra details or maybe even ray tracing in VR with some concessions. I think it is unrealistic to expect ray tracing at high resolution with ultra settings in VR. Of course we can dream but I don’t think we have any reason to expect it.
But in all this I think people are also missing that for VR many games that make best use of VR are very dependant on single core CPU performance and CPU’s will remain the bottleneck in those games moving forward.
I complain about my 5700XT’s 8GB of VRAM being not enough but if I lower my settings in iRacing so I can stay under that ceiling and hit 90 fps I am still experiencing drops in certain areas related to single core CPU performance. They say next gen AMD will match Intel in single core performance and may even take the crown but we are not expecting massive gains.
I think once we see everything on offer this year, 2020 will be the year to build a top end gaming PC that is likely to stay relevant for a long time.
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What you should be concerned about is not what Nvidia bring and whether they are in front or not. As a customer buying consumer electronics you should be concerned about new products from whoever it may be that releases them and hold them accountable when they try to gouge and dominate the market, at OUR expense. You may not have bought a GPU previous to this generation. There has NEVER been a more disappointing release of GPU’s for over a decade. Previous 70 cards were beating the previous gen 80Ti cards.
It’s not wrong to want to be excited about an upgrade. That’s how it used to be. And we had competition for the high end as well. You’re always on top, until you’re not. The 20 series was not for me even as an enthusiast craving the best hardware. I can afford to buy a 2080Ti yet choose not to.
The point is, this increase you speak of has never been ‘normal’. We always got more, for less, and from different companies. We’re being drip fed. The Ti card isn’t even a Ti card. It’s a 20 card pretending it has a bigger dick than it actually does. Innovation is supposed to surprise and excite.
Right now the GPU market is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
And the features? As I’ve said how many times over the past 3 years, most of them are software developer dependent. So nothing is guaranteed. Half of the stuff cards have been sold on haven’t seen the light of day in more than a handful of titles.
Hello, real time ray tracing.
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Yes, raytracing is nice. It brings new life to an old game (Quake2 RTX). It looks very lifelike too, but I think it will be quite a few more years before we’re using significant raytracing in VR.
What I really want, first, is significantly higher VR framerates than my 2080 provides.
My .02c is if history is any guide the performance leap provided by the next gen Nvidia will depend on AMD. If AMD hits hard Nvidia will too but if AMD can only come close to a 2080ti then the 3080ti will probably not get a great performance boost.
It was fear of AMD that caused the famous 1080ti to be so far before it’s time.
PS. Intel is also lingering out there with their upcoming DG1 and DG2 shown at CES.
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I’m anticipating 30% based on a node shrink to 7nm, and maybe an additional few percent if they dont devote more of the die to RTX features.
All the 10 series cards were fantastic leaps forward, though. Not just the Ti. The 1070 offered 980Ti levels of performance in the mid-high tier. That’s an upgrade. Especially when they released the Ti LATER as the new flagship after the 1080 beat the 980Ti easily. I also had 2 x 970’s at one stage and was able to sell both and buy a 1080 for a very slight bump in performance and the ease of use of a single card.
Would a 2080Ti outperform 2 x 1070 cards operating at even a decent scaling? I doubt it. And that’s the Ti card, not even the 80 card that I moved to.
We’ve been duped this time around and without competition, it’s not hard to imagine why. The problem we have with VR is this area of computer graphics is STARVING for power and there’s nothing we can do about it. Money cannot fix it because there simply is nothing out there to power the 8KX in all its glory. That’s why I’m frustrated as well. For general desktop gaming my 1080Ti is still a champ.
We need another 290X event where you get Ti beating levels of performance for way less money. It was unrefined, loud and pretty warm, but it was a monster. Those times were exciting.
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